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'Marquise de Vivens' rose Reviews & Comments
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From the 'Rosen-Zeitung' 1900, page 51:
"Einige schöne Rosen für das freie Land.
... 5) Marquise de Vivens, Th. (Dubreuil 86). Mein ganz specieller Liebling. Die Blüte geht zum Grunde hin vom leuchtendsten Rosa in weiss-rosa und schiesslich in gelb über. Sie ist sehr reichblühend und die Menge der etwas hangenden Blüten macht namentlich auf einem hohen Mittelstamm, einem überraschend reizenden Eindruck. Dabei wird der etwas an Veilchen erinnernde Duft an Feinheit wohl kaum vom Dufte einer andern Rose übertroffen. Sie ist nicht sehr frostempfindlich."
My translation:
Some Beautiful Roses for Open Ground.
... 5) Marquise de Vivens. Tea. (Dubreuil 86). My rather special favourite. The flower graduates from the brightest pink to white-pink and finally to yellow at the base. It is very free-flowering and the mass of somewhat nodding blooms makes a surprisingly charming impression especially on a tall standard. And the fragrance, somewhat reminiscent of violets, is hardly surpassed in refinement by any other rose. It is not very frost-sensitive.
[I think this is the only other reference to the violet scent apart from the Sangerhausen description.]
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Well, I have violets galore ....[nonsense deleted] Reference added. Thanks HubertG.
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#2 of 13 posted
30 JUN 18 by
HubertG
That's good to know that it can do well in dappled shade. I was thinking of trying this in a large decorative terracotta pot but in a position that wasn't the sunniest, so that information is useful. Thanks. I have violets like weeds too.
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I do have 'Marquise de Vivens' (came as "Mrs Good's Special Tea") but my two own-root plants do not do well for me. (One in heavy dappled shade and a younger one in full sun.
[more nonsense deleted] .... Sorry to mess you around HubertG. Perhaps the time is getting closer for me to retire.
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#4 of 13 posted
30 JUN 18 by
HubertG
No matter, Patricia. I've decided I want to give "Mrs. Goode's Special Tea" a go anyway, if Thomas' have it in stock, even just for the fragrance alone.
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If not, I can send cuttings at a suitable time of the year. It doesn't like my garden either, but it's very floriferous.
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#8 of 13 posted
1 JUL 18 by
HubertG
Thank you very much Margaret. I'll certainly let you know if I can't obtain it.
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Bonjour, Je suis journaliste à Feurs (Loire - France), ville où la marquise de Vivens avait son château. Je suis à la recherche pour une publication future de photographies récentes de la rose "Marquise de Vivens". Je suis aussi à la recherche de bouture (sans les feuilles) pour pouvoir la réimplanter en France, chez elle à Feurs. Merci pour l'aide que vous pouvez m'apporter. Sincères salutations. François Perrot
Good morning, I am a journalist in Feurs (Loire - France), city where the Marquise de Vivens had her castle. I am looking for a future publication of recent photographs of the rose "Marquise de Vivens". I am also looking for cuttings (without leaves) to be able to relocate it in France, at her home in Feurs. Thank you for your help. Best regards. François Perrot
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If you send me a private message with your email address, I will send you some photos. It was listed in the 2020 catalogue of La Roseraie du Desert, which has changed hands and is much smaller. I hope someone who bought it from them can help you with plant material, as sending cuttings or budwood from Australia is very complicated and expensive.
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Merci pour votre réponse. Je viens de vous envoyer un message privé.
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I think it would be easier to contact the present owners of Roseraie du Desert, to ask whether they still have the rose. Later: PierreLaPierre kindly contacted them, and they replied that they don't have it. Perhaps you could try to contact John Hook, the original owner.
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Patricia, your knowledge and dedication to HMF are invaluable - don't you dare retire!
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Thanks Andrew. That is nice of you. But the days dwindle down...as do my supply of marbles I think.
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You have millions of marbles Patricia. Marbles to spare.
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I've been in contact with Thomas for Roses. They still have this one, even though it isn't in their catalogue. They said they have never actually propagated it as there hasn't been any call for it, which I suppose is not surprising given how rare and comparatively unknown it is.
However, they're willing to have a go at it, so I've asked them to put me down for one. If anyone else is interested, this might be a good time to contact them.
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A note in the text accompanying the plate of 'Marquise de Vivens' in The Garden, Vol 35, 1889 reads:
"The legend of the coloured plate reads "Marquis de Vivens," but this is incorrect, as it should be " Marquise de Vivens. " — Ed."
(Full text added to HMF refs.)
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“Mrs Goode’s Special Tea”, was collected by Pat Toolan c2000 from an old garden in suburban Adelaide, South Australia. When the current owner bought the property in 1951 the rose was already very old and it is her belief that it was planted in the early 1900s. Pat propagated the rose and placed one in a repository of old garden roses in nearby Mitcham Cemetery. Today there is also a plant in the repository of Teas at Ruston’s Roses, Renmark and a number of enthusiasts have it established in their gardens in Australia. “Mrs Goode’s Special Tea” is a very decorative, fragrant rose with semi-double to double blooms that are pink to carmine, grading to white/ pale yellow in the centre with petal reverses that are white to pale yellow - as the petals curl and the flowers nod, there is a lively bi-coloured effect. Several people have noted a certain affinity to Comtesse de Labarthe/ Duchesse de Brabant.
Further detail: Inflorescence and pedicel: blooms are solitary or produced in small clusters; pedicels are glandular to bristly and curve as the blooms open. Bud: slender, pointed (ideal buttonhole buds), white to pale yellow, flushed carmine. Flower: semi-double to double (never very full), open to nodding, loose cupped blooms becoming informal as petals curl and twist. Petals have a tendency to curl back along the side margins as the bloom opens. Flower colour: pink to carmine, grading to white / pale yellow in the centre. Petal reverses are white to pale yellow. Receptacle and Hip: receptacle is globular, and the rose sets medium-sized globular hips. Fragrance: Moderate to strong - both sweet and dry with distinctive violet notes. Foliage: There are 5 – 7 elongated elliptical leaflets. Newer leaves are glossy. The foliage has a clean brightness that is a very effective foil to the brightly coloured blooms. Prickles: Occasional descending or slightly hooked prickles, but many stems are thornless. Hooked prickles on the backs of the leaves. Health: Young plants are susceptible to seasonal mildew. Recurrence: Very recurrent. Rapid repeat and flowers well in the winter in mild climates. Evergreen in mild climates. Winter blooms and foliage especially attractive. “Mrs Goode’s Special Tea” is thought to be ‘Marquise de Vivens’ (Dubreuil, 1885). ‘Marquise de Vivens’ was popular in Australia from the 1890s until the 1st World War, and was offered by Kemp’s nursery, which was close to where “Mrs Goode’s Special Tea” was found.
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That is an excellent description Billy. Thank you for giving so much detail. And thank you too, Pat Toolan, for saving this rose in Australia. I am so proud to have it. I just wish I had given mine a full sun position, but I have since struck more and the next little baby is going to think it lives in the Hilton Hotel
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