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Discussion id : 69-598
most recent 14 JAN 17 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 23 JAN 13 by goncmg
The "experts" on here tend to have no sense of humor and also take the fact they live in blessed climates for granted. This site is an amazing resource for rose lovers but I would caution any "newer" grower for asking for a lot of "advice" as the administrators all seem to live in Santa Barbara and have no "idea" that most of us---------------Omaha, Copenhagen, Paris, Columbus, etc and LOL---------------have MILDEW and BLACKSPOT to deal with...............never in my llife have I had to repeatedly deal with "peers" with whom I have some "common interest" who ARE ALL POSERS. With THIS post I give up. I absolutely give up. Good luck getting people involved when the administrators are closed minded, belittling, and tree hugging.........................I could have been a huge asset..............but after a year of being spoken down to and today being TOLD I SHOULD FIND ANOTHER PLANT TO GROW AS I SPRAY......................sorry................good luck to you all..........................................I am DONE.
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Reply #1 of 6 posted 23 JAN 13 by RoseBlush
Quick correction ... HMF has administrators working on the database in several different countries as well as many different parts of the United States. However, we also have site members from around the world who participate on the Q & A Forum.

Your COMMENTS are truly valued and would be greatly missed as you are writing about roses that were introduced a long time ago and many of us have never had the experience of growing them.

Please don't even think of giving up growing roses. One of the things we have both probably learned over the long period of time where roses have been our passion is that it is always something. The longer I grow roses, the longer the list of "somethings" seems to become. Then, I just do the best I can and love my roses. I'll just bet it's the same for you.

Smiles,
Lyn
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Reply #2 of 6 posted 23 JAN 13 by Patricia Routley
Chris, Don’t you dare give up. I have been reading your comments now for quite a while and your enthusiasm and love for every rose you talk about comes through loud and clear. Having collected every old Rose Annual that I could, devoured them, indexed them and shared just a smidgeon of what I really want to share, I can especially appreciate your fascination with the Rose Annuals, as well as your passion for roses.
Patricia
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Reply #3 of 6 posted 23 JAN 13 by Margaret Furness
I'm not an administrator, on my file I state that I'm not an expert, and the options I suggested included Tea roses. I'm uncomfortable with anyone, expert or novice, being told that they "should" spray more often, which is what triggered my posting in reply to a previous one of yours. I didn't say you "should" do anything: the implication was not to accept "should" from others. I regret that I didn't make that clearer.
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Reply #4 of 6 posted 25 JAN 13 by goncmg
Patricia and Lyn: THANK YOU :-).............you are all stuck with me, and with a solid promise to not be so sensitive as well. I cannot ever hide it, I couldn't ever hide it, roses are my life. I want to retire to St. Croix but there is one obvious problem with THAT, lol...........I post reviews out of passion and so glad that they make "sense," and that the passion apparently comes through..........:-)
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Reply #6 of 6 posted 14 JAN 17 by Andrew from Dolton
goncmg,
So pleased you haven't given up, you are an inspiration to other growers who like you grow roses in challenging climates, very knowledgeable and generous with that knowledge. A true rosarian. I would happily cover my garden with asbestos from Chernobyl doused in DDT if I thought it would cure blackspot!
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Reply #5 of 6 posted 19 APR 16 by LaurelZ
I just wanted to add although I am not an expert I tell people to spray because I lived in a very bad climate for roses San Francisco with the worse conditions, cold dripping fog. This is the reason I tell people to spray. I read a lot posts on garden web from people who get a leave with rust or black spot, they think the way to cure it is to remove that leaf. While its true the leaves won't be cured from the rust, if you spray the new leaves will come back free from rust. But, they don't spray or the spray with the wrong product or the wrong way, it took me years to year this by myself pre internet. I would have liked someone to tell me back then so I could have saved a lot of roses. I killed off roses like a revolving door. So, back to the issue. As they remove first one leaf and then another the plant soon as no more leaves. They then blame the plant itself when it won't grow well with no leaves. They then bash the rose for example, Peace is a terrible rose, it get rust and black spot. There are some thing not worth growing in a wet climate. I had given up on buying new roses, I was down to two roses, when I was able to move to a better climate I did move. It depends on how much you love roses and how much you are willing to care about them. Will you take the extra steps to grow better roses or not? If I tell someone to spray, it is only that I want to help and not that I am insulting them. Hydrangeas are just as bad as roses in terms of fungal on the leaves. Some people just don't want to spray and won't spray because they want to be organic. That is fine, just don't bash the rose. There was an episode of King of the Hill in which Peggy is part of an organic collective garden, but she can't stand all the bugs so she sneaks in a night and sprays the garden. If you don't want to spray, you have to live with what ever fungal and bugs you may be getting. Only you can make the choice. I have told people when they ask me I don't garden organically and as far as know you can be pest free organically. It is just a bitter fact of life. Even own roots roses nurseries spray for fungal. I once bought some plant from a real no spray organic nursery in Richmond CA called Annie's Annual. Each time they get fungal, they would compost the plant. As soon as I got the plants home with in a week they had died of fungal. Richmond is very dry compared to San Francisco. But, I was like I don't blame Annie's, I was just testing out the annuals. But with roses you don't want to be throwing them out just because they got some fungal.
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Discussion id : 69-522
most recent 23 JAN 13 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 20 JAN 13 by goncmg
Just tossing this to the wind, and came up tonight in a private message-----------for me, in Ohio, the deal breaker is blackspot. And I am very forgiving because although I spray, I do so not as regularly as I should and I grow them in pots and therefore NEVER use a sprinkler/over head water..............but the summers here are Miami...........and I assume MOST will get SOME (and this is true) so it comes down to how fast, how much, and recovery time.........in MY experience, the Most Blackspot Prone "Modern" Roses are: ARIZONA, CATHEDRAL, CHERISH, REDGOLD, CAYENNE, ROYAL HIGHNESS, GINGERSNAP, SILVER LINING.....in a "normal" growing season all those I just listed will be denunded 2 or 3 times even WITH spray........Silver Lining and Royal Highness may be the only roses ever created who can catch blackspot time and again on their NEW growth..........fortunately we do not have rust here and mildew is annoying but not a "killer "when it appears............and yes, I grow GREY PEARL and SOLEIL d'OR and no, they are MORE blackspot resistant than those listed in my experience..............
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 23 JAN 13 by Margaret Furness
"Should" is a debatable word. I'm biased by living in a Mediterranean climate, but I think there are alternatives to roses that need spraying. Have you tried how Teas go in your district? There's more to life than roses. There must be other plants that are garden-worthy and scented in your area, including native ones.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 23 JAN 13 by goncmg
Margaret, there is NOTHING more to me than roses. HEALTH. Ok, HEALTH. But otherwise, roses. Always and forever. As I type this SAFRANO is blooming in huge sprays in my sunroom. It is 1 degree outside. Teas do so well under glass and I love you mentioned them because although "tender" they are actually quite resilient to disease..................I do not mind spraying, I am not a" tree hugger", lol................hate me or don't, understand my POV or don't, I couldn't care less................but no, there ARE no other plants to me like roses. And never, EVER will be. I will fight through it, I will SPRAY, I will coddle........................JUST TONIGHT my first rose seedling out of a gibberish cross Paradise x Comanche has opened..................cross done June '12, had 20 seeds 16 sprouted, first to bloom looks like: lol lol lol A BAD IMITATION OF BIG PURPLE! LOL...................but I love it. I love it.Margaret? I LOVE THEM ALL. I just do.........
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 23 JAN 13 by goncmg
And, Margaret: I WILL add that I am a little offended and basically exhausted of people, like you, who live in that Meditteranean climate and who have endless money to spend and can be all "go grow an IRIS." You and I have been on here and in communication for a full year or more. To tell ME that I shld find OTHER plants to grow not really offends me. I will ALWAYS grow roses. They are MY LIFE. I wish I had not paid for my new membership here. Nobody cares what I have to say and I am endlessly spoken "down" to whereas I have more experience than most and maybe even you..........................if you love roses east of the Mississippi then you have to SPRAY. And if you DON'T then you are growing some really basic crap or simply POSING.................period and case closed............I give up on here..................
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 23 JAN 13 by goncmg
And I am really throwing in the towel. I can no longer be spoken "down" to on here.............I have 40 years experience, I know my "stuff"............I give up..............I seriously just give up...........
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Discussion id : 69-521
most recent 20 JAN 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 20 JAN 13 by goncmg
Cannot believe this one is 30+ years old and marginally available. NOT that it was THAT great..but it is a personality and one of those FL's that is tough to categorize. I grew it for over 10 years in 6a Columbus, OH and never got a SPRAY on it......just lots of smaller, very formally formed, bright coral blooms always one to a stem.............but oh yes, BLACKSPOT. Right in the top 5 of roses in my experience that fall prey............but somehow it got an AARS! LOL
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Discussion id : 11-014
most recent 1 APR 07 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 26 JAN 06 by Donna Williamson
Lovely rose, lots of early blooms, but has lots of suckers.
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 31 MAR 07 by John Moody
I think the sucker problem would be as a result of the understock the rose was grafted to, wouldn't it??? It is not the fault of the rose itself I think.
Anyone more expert than I care to comment??
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 1 APR 07 by Wendy C
John is correct. The understock has started suckering. Dr. Huey and Multiflora both will do this and it is maddening. Cherish isn't at fault for the flaw.
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