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'Principessa di Napoli' rose Reviews & Comments
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The Dingee &Conard Co Catalogue 1899
Page 24 photo page 23
New italian hybrid tea rose
Princess of Naples.
A Seedling of La France crossed with Captain Christy.
This magnificent new Rose was originated and sent to us by our Italian representative, C. Sprenger, Naples, who named it, by special permission, in honor of the Princess of Naples. Mr. Sprenger’s introductions have always possessed pronounced merit, one of his greatest introductions being. Asparagus Sprengeri, which has become famous the world over as one of the grandest of all decorative plants. We can give no better description than to quote from Mr. Sprenger’s letter wherein he says: ‘‘I had the opportunity of seeing all the best and newest Roses this year (1897) at the Lyons (France) Exhibition, but none can compare with mine. “IT IS FAR SUPERIOR TO LA FRANCE AND CAPTAIN CHRISTY, and ranges between the two. ‘““You know me well enough to know that I would not recommend it if it were not really a novelty of highest qualifications. I can supply 200 plants at the price of 1600 shillings (about $400).”’ We were so impressed with Mr. Sprenger’s enthusiastic indorsement that we bought his entire stock, since which time we have had ample time to test it. It is all that was originally claimed for it, and to us has proven itself to be a magnificent free-blooming hardy Hybrid Tea Rose. The flower is very large, double and deep; cup shaped, built tile style, one petal closely overlapping the other, centre like a rosette ; deliciously fragrant. The color is an indescribable satiny pink, shaded silvery Rose—one of the warmest, deepest, richest pinks we have ever seen. The flowers are borne with the freedom of a Tea Rose, on long stiff stems. The foliage is magnificent—large, deep green and of excellent substance. This is a Rose that any one may well be proud to have the honor of introducing. We offer it in one size only. Be sure to get the genuine Princess of Naples. Another variety introduced in Germany last year bears the same name, but is a different Rose. It will be found offered (as No. 54) in this book among the new Roses, page 16. Strong young plants, $1 each, postpaid by Mail.
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#1 of 3 posted
5 AUG 23 by
 jedmar
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What is your opinion about the statement that this rose was originated by C. Sprenger?
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#2 of 3 posted
5 AUG 23 by
Cà Berta
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The story of Principessa di Napoli hybridized by Lodi, presented by Bonfiglioli at Esposizione Nazionale di Belle Arti e Orticultura. Firenze 1896-1987 where it got a gold medal (see refrence Catalogo Ufficiale dell’Esposizione Nazionale di Belle Arti e Orticultura. Firenze 1896-1987) is clearly described by C. Springer himself in his article in the magazine Die Gartenwelt in 1898 (see reference). The way Dingeee & Conard describe Sprenger's involvement is probably their interpretation of a story that, probably, Sprenger had not considered it necessary to tell when he proposed the deal.
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#3 of 3 posted
6 AUG 23 by
jedmar
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Thank you, we will leave the breeder as is.
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Journal de la Société nationale d'horticulture de France. Année 1897 - page 473
MM.Bonfiglioli et fils présentent une nouvelle Rose hybride remontant la Principessa di Napoli. C’est une fleur rose pale bien pleine et une espèce paraissant florifère
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Thanks Bruna. Reference added.
But I also note we now have the same reference and same page numbers under Jardins de France.
Aha - Jedmar explains it all in his comment a fortnight ago,
“Jardins de France" is the modern name of the publication which was called "Journal de la Société nationale d'horticulture de France”.
I will delete the Jardins de France reference.
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Why is this rose being described as a Hybrid Perpetual when both parents are designated as Hybrid Tea?
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Good point. A website translation of the 1902 reference reads:“The varieties in this group differ from ordinary Remontant Hybrids, and are more similar to Tea Hybrids:”
Then there is the 1898 p196 ref which says: “Hybrid perpetual, or better Hybrid Tea Princess of Napoli”.
The designation of climber is concerning me too. Perhaps other multi-lingual members might comment?
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#4 of 5 posted
31 MAR 19 by
Cà Berta
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The word "climber" certainly is the result of a wrong translation. This is supported by the fact that in the description of La Carmen (E. Veyrat Hermanos X Principessa di Napoli by Lodi) la Rivista dell'Ortoflorofrutticoltura Italiana (1913) reports "Il carattere però che costituisce il maggior pregio di questa varietà è che l’arbusto, dal portamento nano e compatto trasmessogli dalla Principessa di Napoli, ..." i.e. "The main characteristic of this variety, however, is that the shrub, with its compact and dwarf appearance, transmitted to it by the Princess of Naples...."
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Thanks to you both. I’ve changed the HelpMeFind class for the rose from hybrid perpetual to hybrid tea.
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As reported by Sprenger in his enthusiastic correspondence from Italy (Die Gartenwelt 1898 page197), it is confirmed that this rose was awarded the gold price at the Esposizione Nazionale di Orticultura in Florence in 1897 (see the reference Catalogo Uffuciale dell’Esposizione Nazionale di Belle Arti e Orticultura. Firenze 1896-1897)
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The reference in Rosen-zeitung (1901) further supports the idea that this rose is a hybrid of La France and Capt. Christy, (although it is not clear which is the seed parent). By contrast, as far as I know, up to now no other reference supports what reported in Roselexikon 1936, i.e that this rose is a sport of Berthe Leveque.
To Mr. Massimiliano Lodi should be acknowledged this hybridization.
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