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'Jaune ancien' rose Reviews & Comments
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Present at « Jardin des plantes » in Paris, in the « jardin Alpin » section. I don’t remember under what name, but there is « persiana » in it. Wonderfull specimen. If I thinking about it, I will take a photo of the plant and the label next year
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I don't see how the references from 1649 and 1765 can be attached to 'Persian Yellow' rather than the double yellow Hemispherica that Clusius introduced around 1601.
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28 JUN 22 by
 jedmar
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Yes, the dates do not seem to fit 'Persian Yellow'. The reference of 1765 ia actually a translation of the Italian reference of 1649 and both could be referring to Rosa hemisphaerica.
In this context there is also the mysterious reference in The New Herball of 1586 to the "yealow rose", which seems to be single.
Clusius' introduction of Rosa hemisphaerica in 1601 was an introduction to the western world, this rose was known in the Orient apparently long before that.
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28 JUN 22 by
CybeRose
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Jedmar,
Gesner (in Cordus, 1561) lists two yellow roses.
1) Rosae citrinae seu luteae, C. Rurpodius. (probably Rosa rapini)
2) Rosae moschum fragrantes, luteae, K. Augustae luteas alunt in hortis lautiores quidam, quas inodoras esse audio, (& vulpinas cognominari:) frutice tamen odorato, quem vidi illic vir entem iuxta parietes hortorum, odoreserè sylvestris Rosae foliorum, quam à vino nostri denominant. Florem siccum tantùm & inodorum vidi. Nunc plantas duas in horto alo: sed non feliciter germinantes, quòd diutius (opinor) in itinere detentae sint; & iam circa solstitium odorem etiam amisisse videntur.
I think the the second was our Rosa foetida. I've read that the leaves are sweetly scented (jasmine), but I did not know that the last time I encountered the species.
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The Garden 24(621): 328 (Oct 12, 1883)
Williams’ double yellow Rose—I have sometimes seen this named Persian Yellow, but both in flower and habit of growth it greatly differs from that variety. The yellow Rose to which I refer was raised by Mr. Williams, of Pitmaston, about 1826, and was said to have been raised from the single Austrian Brier. This Rose is rarely to be found in Rose lists, and there must surely be some reason for the omission, as the tree is very distinct from the Persian or Harrison’s Yellow; the flowers are larger and it continues longer in flower. I would be glad to know the cause of this old-fashioned Rose falling out of the lists of Roses worth growing.— Charles McDonald, Stokesley.
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Collected from the cemetery in Austin Nevada, June 1987 and grown for years as "Austin Cemetery".
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