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'Madame Alfred de Rougemont' rose Reviews & Comments
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Une des épouses d’Alfred de Rougemont
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7 JUL 10 by
kev
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Francis Lacharme who bred this rose says this is a noisette and the german generally also like the french consistanly clasify it as a noisette.To reclassify something like this, is silly when the breeder has done it and he is the one who alone knows or should know the breeding.this rose is complex though as it has been listed as a noisette,hybrid remontant,bourbon or bourbon perpetual, and in at least to other classes.It is after all is said and done a French rose.Their classification should be the one that stands not something that was done only in recent years at someones whimsy.
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7 JUL 10 by
 Cass
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The "reclassification" you describe as occurring "in recent years at someones whimsy" started in 1863, 147 years ago, by the English, French, and Belgians, among others, who classified Madame Alfred de Rougemont as both a Hybrid Noisette and a Hybrid Perpetual. See References.
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I find rose classification very confusing. I think of a noisette as a rose descended from one of the original noisette roses, Champneys' Pink Cluster etc. Bourbon x damask perpetual isn't, but it's hard when some of the ancestors aren't known. Or when, as in about 15% of roses, a bee intercepts the intended crossing. No wonder breeders don't always know how to classify their roses, and are driven by market pressures. See Commandant Beaurepaire and Marcel Bourgouin as examples.
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In my hot/warm inland region of Los Angeles (Encino) my three recently planted own root (from Vintage Gardens) MAdRs have absolutely exploded with growth, while also throwing flush after flush of blooms. They were planted two months ago as typical (short) 1 gal sized plants, but in a short time have thrown very numerous 4-5 ft canes that are still headed skywards, and those are breaking laterals.
So while this may be "compact" elsewhere, in sunny So Cal, these (I can see) are going to be large. How large? I can't even begin to guess. I've just never seen a rose grow as rapidly as this one.
Extremely happy and healthy here.
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Thank you for your participation.
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Available from - Vintage Gardens
It may be helpful to note here that Vintage lists this rose as a Bourbon (not as a Noisette/HP as classified on HMF)
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