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'Argosy' rose Reviews & Comments
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I have a superb rose that came to me as an Alister Clark rose - 'Argosy'. But the original 'Argosy' was fuchsia pink or salmon flushed pink - and my rose is a purpling crimson with nothing salmon about it at all. I am very grateful to the man who put it on multiflora rootstock and sent it to me as it is truly beautiful. It came originally from Rustons. Photos are in the file.
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#1 of 9 posted
16 JAN 15 by
Jane Z
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Patricia, your *Argosy* looks remarkably similar in several respects to "Florence Hinds" of Rookwood - leaflet shape & colour, bloom structure, bud shape & silver tones of sepals (at bud stage) etc etc ...
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Thank you Jane. I feel that my rose which came as 'Argosy' has much longer stems than "Florence Hinds". And I see more red tones in "florence Hinds" than my very deep pink, purpling rose. Now, if there was a red 'Dame Edith Helen'..........
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#3 of 9 posted
17 JAN 15 by
Jane Z
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ah, Florence's weakness, her rather short stems ... otherwise just based on the images they have many similarities it seems
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This rose in the photos look very much like the so-called 'Mrs RC Bell' I was sold by Mistydowns last year (see photos for Mrs RC Bell). Very double, short stem, crimson turning blue, tea scent not strong but durable.
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The receptacle seems the same shape in both roses.
The pedicel of to so-called 'Mrs. R. C. Bell' is green, whereas "came as Argosy" is reddish.
I would say "came as Argosy" has long stems, whereas you say the so-called 'Mrs. R. C. Bell' has short stems.
I have added more photos of my rose. Would you mind having a look please.
I believe Cree and Bruce Treloar both know or grow the same rose as I grow.
It has absolutely no salmon colouring at all, so it is certainly not the original 'Argosy'. If we can't solve it, I might have to move my photos out into a file of its own.
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Photo of a leaflet of the pseudo-Mrs RC Bell supplied. Looks exactly like Patricia's pseudo-Argosy. The pedicel is exactly two inches long, whether that counts as short or long I don't know. It has not a skerrick of red on it. The present bloom is very double and very symmetrical, just under three inches across. "Purpling crimson" is a good description.
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Eric’s 15 Mar 2014 photo of ‘Lubra’s puffy petals is reminding me very much of the rose which came to me as ‘Argosy’.
Due to the different colour of my rose and ‘Argosy’ my rose is certainly not ‘Argosy’. I feel that it may be ‘Lubra’ and intend to move my photos out of ‘Argosy’ and into ‘Lubra’. Any comment before I do?
(Interestingly both ‘Argosy’ (Clark) and ‘Lubra’ (Fitzhardinge) were both bred in 1938.)
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#8 of 9 posted
3 NOV 23 by
 HubertG
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Patricia, I did grow 'Argosy' for a brief time several years back, but it never made it out of its pot and eventually died. I bought it from a Sydney grower (I can't remember the name right now) but he assured me that it was correct and from a "named specimen" although I never pressed him for details at the time. Some observations that I remember are; - that it was exactly like your photos from several years back which are the deep pink colour with buds and leaves identical to yours. I never saw mine approaching red. I remembered the allusion to 'Lorraine Lee' when I bought it but could see no obvious physical similarity to that rose. However one thing I observed was that it never set any hips despite having normal looking stigma and despite my persistent attempts at pollinating it, and I decided it might have been a triploid and possibly was a Tea x HT after all, or something similar. It's description as fuchsia in the early references puzzled me a little because it was not quite what I would have called fuchsia, but of course colours are objective especially over time.
So, at the time I grew it I did have some doubts as to whether it was correct, but in time I came to the conclusion that it probably was truly 'Argosy' mainly because it seemed to be such random a rose to be reintroduced without any good reason, and also because of its presumed odd ploidy matching something Clark might have experimented with.
Patricia, I guess what I'm saying is that the rose I grew as 'Argosy' appears to be exactly the same as yours, and that I wouldn't discount it as something else at this point. Does yours ever set hips?
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I don’t think it does set hips as a rule. But there is one photo of a couple of hips photographed on 6 May 2018. I hope to remember to put a tag on the bush not to deadhead the current blooms. Coincidentally I planted ‘Lorraine Lee’ only a few metres from the rose in question and they are chalk and cheese.
Thank you for your thoughts HubertG. I will leave things as they are for the moment.
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26 OCT 12 by
Unregistered Guest
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Available from - Mistydowns
www.mistydowns.com.au
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Re Argosy. From the references below, I glean hints of Korovo and perhaps Lorraine Lee somewhere in the parentage of Argosy. David Ruston still has this rose.
1938 Australian Rose Annual
p30. Alister Clark. A Walk About “Glenara”. Korovo I prize highly, but I have hopes that in Argosy we may have an even better Rose.
p110 Editor. Roses in Australia. Argosy. H.T. (Alister Clark, 1938). – A beautiful, well-shaped Rose with good petalage and constant in blooming. The colour is a lovely fuchsia pink, after the style of Korovo. Presented to the National Rose Society of New South Wales.
Pi. “Glenara” Seedlings – advertisement. New Australian Roses, 1938. Argosy (H.T). After the style of Korovo. Well formed, of lovely colour, and well held. Presented to the N.R.S. of New South Wales.
1938. Hazlewood Bros. P/L Catalogue 1938
p33 Argosy (H.T.) (A. Clark, 1938). A really beautiful well shaped rose of good petalalge and constant in blooming. The fuchsia pink colour suggests Lorraine Lee as its pollen parent, but Argosy is much fuller and better formed.
1946 Australian and New Zealand Rose Annual
p91 Mr. S. J. Bisdee, Bagdad, Tasmania. Argosy I have frequently sung the praises of and I am continuing my song; it has been delightful.
1979 Heritage Roses in Australia journal. Vol 1, No. 3.
p4. Argosy. 1938. intro by NRS N.S.W. HT. double salmon flushed pink, long stems, free bloom. Souvenir de Gustave Prat x seedling.
1987. David Ruston “Ruston’s 1987 Rose List” 1987.
P1. Argosy HT. A. Clark. 1938. Pink blend.
1995 The Rose Breeder Australian Rose Breeder’s Association newsletter Vol 4, No. 2.
p19 Argosy. HT. 1938. Alister Clark. Souv. De Gustav [sic] Prat sdlg.
1999. Dianne Ackland “The Australian Rose Directory” 3rd Edition 1999
[Argosy not listed in main text as being available through nurseries]
p138. David Ruston’s Budwood Listing. Argosy [is listed]
1999. Peter Cox “Australian Roses”
p15 Argosy – 1938. Large flowered bush rose, salmon flowers flushed pink. No longer available.
2003. Ruston’s Roses – Rose Collection 2003-2004
p31. Argosy. Hybrid Tea. Orange pink. Clark, A. 1938.
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"Re Argosy. From the references below, I glean hints of Korovo and perhaps Lorraine Lee somewhere in the parentage of Argosy. "
Patricia, You are drawing a very long bow here. Consider dominant and recessive genes for colour, and it's impossible to make such assertions.
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Never assertions Laurie. Hints!
I am not really up with my colour genes, but thank you for alerting us that my thoughts on the hints in the references may not be correct.
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Re: Availability: Existence unknown
This rose is still available through Ruston Roses. Refer 2003 Reference.
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29 JUL 08 by
Cass
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Patricia, I'm having trouble finding roses for sale on the website. Can you help us out?
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I've sent Anne Ruston an email and asked her to reply.
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