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'Rival de Paestum' rose Reviews & Comments
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Rob Melville has just informed me, via email, that his nursery does not carry this rose. Melville should be removed from the list of nurseries carrying it. It appears this rose is not in commerce in Australia.
(Damn that Tea Rose book from making me want one :P)
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I haven't grown it. The two at Renmark are on their own roots, and are less than vigorous. Not very interesting to my eye, either. The photos on helpmefind vary widely in the number of petals: I'm not sure we all have the same rose.
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I'll send you cuttings next summer. Mine are own rooted plants. My first in tough gravel did not thrive. My second in deep and amended acid soil has done much better and I am sure it will be able to donate a bit of wood.
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#3 of 5 posted
4 MAY 15 by
Jane Z
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I've grown the rose in 2 gardens and would be hard pressed to mount an argument for its inclusion in a collection - the Tea Rose book description is a tad generous perhaps ... :)
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Oh. Hmm. Well hey, if there are cuttings going I suppose I might as well have a crack at it and see what pops up.
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Thanks for the offer. No rush. I can't have everything in the book all at once anyway. If you'd prefer to wait a bit longer I won't be upset.
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Annales des Sciences Physiques et Naturelles, D'Agriculture et D'Industrie pp. 493-497 (1840)
M. BELUZE
(Sentier de la Duchère, route de Bourgogne, près de Vaise).
M. BELUZE a présenté 72 espèces (jardinières) de Roses, dont 28 sont nouvelles. Elles ont été obtenues dans de nombreux semis de Bengales, d'Ile Bourbon et de Thés. Nous citons les plus remarquables:
Rivale de Pestum (Beluz., n° 9, 1839). Écorce, petioles et pédicelles rougeâtres; folioles plus petites et moins ondulées que celles de la Reine de Pestum; boutons rosés, arrondis; pétales en coeur (tronqués dans R. de Pestum). Réussit beaucoup mieux de bouture que la Reine de Pestum.
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"Rival de Paestum" This is a beautiful rose, but who names the roses?
Paestum was an old city, and in the languages I tried from Google, Rival is rival. Why would a beautiful white rose be named a rival to an old city?
I understand names like Souvenir de la Malmaison. I understand names that indicate an honor to a person or a Prince - princess, but why name a beautiful white rose a name like this?
(Now I need to look up Arethusa.)
I just did look up Arethusa, and the answer is on HMF. I am pleased we can edit.
This is a curious question, and in no way an indication that I have a desperate need for a response. I just think about these things from time to time.
Sammy
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#1 of 3 posted
20 JAN 13 by
 jedmar
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The roses of Paestum were apparently famous in ancient Roman times. The poet Virgil (1st century BC) mentions reblooming roses of Paestum (biferi rosaria Paesti). The name was therefore given by Béluze to mean "rivals the roses of Paestum".
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How very interesting. Thank you so much.
I love the antique roses because of the link I feel to my family, and history in general. It is amazing where you mind can go when you think of the life of Virgil.
I really appreciate your response.
Sammy
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#3 of 3 posted
16 APR 14 by
CybeRose
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In this case, Beluze was comparing his 'Rival de Pestum' to Plantier's rather similar 'Reine de Pestum'.
Annales des Sciences Physiques et Naturelles, D'Agriculture et D'Industrie pp. 493-497 (1840)
Reine de Pestum (Plantier). Fleurs en bouquets de 4 à 6, grandes, blanches, à centre jaune; boutons allongés, à sépales dentés, se réfléchissant avant l'épanouissement des pétales; folioles lancéolées, ondulées; rameaux et pétioles pourprés. Trés-élégante; réussit très-bien greffée; faible franche de pied.
Rivale de Pestum (Beluz., n° 9, 1839). Écorce, petioles et pédicelles rougeâtres; folioles plus petites et moins ondulées que celles de la Reine de Pestum; boutons rosés, arrondis; pétales en coeur (tronqués dans R. de Pestum). Réussit beaucoup mieux de bouture que la Reine de Pestum.
Karl
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Curious why you have the photos so isolated from their "Rose photo courtesy of " " entries, so that the left hand photos associate more easily with the entries for the right hand photos? It certainly makes it hard to line up the photos with the sources.
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Fred,
It sounds like you are - not - seeing what we are seeing. What browser do you use ?
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