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Discussion id : 159-760
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Initial post 29 DEC by scvirginia
I see that we don't have any parentage listed for this rose. Is this just an oversight, or do we have reason to doubt the R. pendulina x R. chinensis formula?
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Reply #1 of 2 posted 29 DEC by jedmar
Yes, there were doubts: According to Thory in 1824, the double Boursault rose is a seedling of the single Rosa reclinata, which in turn was a cross of R. chinensis x R. alpina. This parentage added. Later parentage statements came 70 years later and seem to be a simplification.
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Reply #2 of 2 posted 1 JAN by scvirginia
Thanks!
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Discussion id : 87-503
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Initial post 25 AUG 15 by CybeRose
History of the Rose pp. 165-166 (1954)
Roy Shepherd
A rose deserving of special attention in the Pendulina classification is Rosa Lheritieranea Thory, the Boursault Roses, itself the forebear of a distinctive group within a group. The result of probably the first union of R. chinensis with a European rose, it was known for several years as R. Boursaultii, or popularly as the Boursault Rose. The exact date of origin is somewhat in doubt, but evidence points to the account that about 1810, Cugnot, a French nurseryman, produced a rose whose characters denoted that it was a hybrid of R. pendulina and R. chinensis. The original plant was sent to the garden of Henri Boursault. Here it was observed by Thory, who published the name R. Lheritierana, in Redouté’s Roses, but later in the same work referred to it as R. reclinata.
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 26 AUG 15 by Patricia Routley
Thanks Karl.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 29 JUN 21 by scvirginia
I added this to the references, but had to guess at the formatting (i.e., which names were italicized), since I don't own Shepherd's book.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 1 JUL 21 by CybeRose
Thanks. I had forgotten about this note. So, I checked again and find that Shepherd confused the issue just a bit. Cugnot's single-flowered rose appears to have been the original hybrid. The semi-double Boursault rose was a seedling from the other.
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 1 JUL 21 by scvirginia
Well, he did say 'probably', so maybe not so much confused as lacking the Internet resource of HMF... :>)
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