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"Yallum Park Cream" rose Reviews & Comments
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‘Narcisse’ has been suggested by Virginia (thank you!) as an identification for “Yallum Park Cream”.
I have looked at three examples which are:
Narcisse (tea, Laffay before 1826) which I discounted as it was a tea.
Narcisse (noisette, Genest 1844) discounted as it was too full to show stamens.
Narcisse (tea noisette, Laffay before 1853). too many references refer to it as a tea.
This last rose has been confused with or linked with ‘Enfant de Lyon’. A suggestion to separate Narcisse and Enfant de Lyon is not possible in my opinion, as too many references call them synonymous.
Confusingly, there is another breeder and date mentioned - Mansais 1842.
To me, “Yallum Park Cream” looks a pure Noisette with its long canes. Sue Zwar and Pat Toolan also see it as a Noisette. I have added a little more on its characteristics on the main page, and would like to request that all members who grow this rose comment on the characteristics of their plant so that we have a more complete description to help us progress towards its identification.
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From the Mystery Roses booklet: Flowers are double, cream with a light yellow centre, sometimes with a transient pink or peach tinge. They can be green at the petal base in the bud. They occur in clusters at the end of, or on sideshoots from, long yellow-green canes. It flowers in flushes but usually has some blooms.
Sweet wafting scent.
All of the receptacle has sessile glands. The pedicel is smooth.
The leaves are light green and matte. They have 5-7 leaflets, often folded from the midrib, drooping, and elongated.
Slightly zigzag growth.
The prickles age to grey, are mainly on watershoots, and are often paired.
Very large arching shrub-climber.
Healthy.
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Wonderful. I’ll add those details to the main page for “Yallum Park Cream” - tomorrow. Thank you Margaret.
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I have two small plants, grown from cuttings that were bagged on Februrary 11, 2021. They seem to be quite prone to mildew when it is around. I don't know if this applies to mature plants in the ground, but it's something to watch out for when growing from cuttings.
They have been sprayed with Triforine, to give them the best chance while they are small. Other than the recent mildew, they seem to be strong growers.
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I don't recall any mildew on mine. Different climate. They didn't stay small for long.
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No, they won't stay small for long. They give every indication of being quite rambunctious.
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I just transplanted my two from 250mm (10'') pots, in which they were beginning to suffer a bit, to old banana boxes (approximately 450 x 300 x 300). This should keep them happy until I can get them planted out, either late this year or early next year. The plants themselves are currently about 1.2 metres across and about 700mm high (roughly 4 feet by 30'').
They are putting on a small winter flush at the moment. The description page for this rose just says ''moderate scent''. It's true that the scent is not particularly strong, but it's a thoroughly delicious scent nonetheless. I'd be happy to have a few of these in any garden big enough to take them.
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I came across some photos which remove any possibility of "Yallum Park Cream" being Lamarque.
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We have "Yallum Park Cream" listed as a Noisette and Tea-Noisette. I would like to delete this last classification as my bush looks pure Noisette to me. Before I do, what do other growers see it as?
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Sue Z calls it Noisette. I've been calling it Tea-noisette because it's so similar to Lamarque, though I think it isn't the same.
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Two (Sue and myself) against one (Margaret). Need more opinions. There has to be more people in Australia growing this rose by now surely? (I have it bundled up to send to Isobel Palmer in W.A. and Frank Hogan in Queensland in the next post.)
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Whatever it is, it's a wonderful rose, and I have given away quite a few. Tthe scent wafts. Based on this summer, I'd call it a good rose for drought-prone areas (on its own roots).
Yallum Park and its garden are being restored by the current generation of owners, and will be in the Open Garden scheme this weekend.
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I would say Noisette.
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That's three. Good enough to delete the class of Tea-Noisette. It helps to narrow the search.
Thanks Pat.
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Pat, thank you very much for emailing me the page from the 1891 'Sydney Mail and New South Wales Advertiser'. I am uploading the references and have noted some similarities to 'Prince Chetwertinski' 1891 to the list of possibles for "Yallum Park Cream". Doing a search for the Prince will be difficult as there have been lots of misspellings of his surname.
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We'd assumed that the "Yallum Park Yellow" and "Yallum Park Cream" were planted in time for the visit by the young princes Albert and George in 1881, but I haven't seen any proof of that.
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'Prince Crewertinsky' was well known to Alister Clark. See that file's 1930 reference.
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