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"Upper Beaconsfield" rose Reviews & Comments
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Seeing this in my polyantha row, it's definitely not a polyantha (could still be a Poly-Tea).
It is seed-fertile - the self-sown seedling and the first of the OP seeds I planted have given single flowers, which I won't be keeping.
Edit: a further seedling may have Sweet Fairy (next to its seed parent) as pollen parent, as the petals are mucronate. Semidouble.
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There are two pictures of 1906 polyantha Coronet on the Roseraie du Val de Marne's website. The earlier reference says it was distinctive among other polyanthas from that time.
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Thank you, that's very interesting. I'll have to re-check my plant for prickles - there is one shown in a photo you mention. I think the colours of "Upper Beaconsfield" are more intense, but they do vary.
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19 MAY 22 by
ThomasR
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You are welcome. I used to live in Paris were Spring felt milder than in Occitanie, I do not know how it does affect roses Vs in your area in Australia, but the colors on your pictures look more intense I agree !
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This poly looks very unique and probably should be circulated. Not quite Mutabilis or Leonie Lamesch colors , but close enough.
I imagine like Mutabilis and LL, there is heavy tea influence. It would be interesting if this was something like a 'Borderer' and Tea mix.
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At one time ‘Tip-Top’ was a possibility. Is this still the case? I note you have photographed ‘Tip-Top’.
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Me? That would be impossible. Close foetida and tea derivatives alike melt to cesspools in my climate. They're quite allergic to temperate rainforest.
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I wondered about a connection with Leonie Lamesch too, given that the half-out buds have the squared-off tops and a similar colour range. I'll post some more pics and replace one that is over-coloured by CMYK conversion.
I was considering putting it into the Mystery Teas in Aus booklet (as an oddity), but will probably think better of that.
First draft was : "Circulated as ‘Agnes Barclay’ (Alister Clark 1921; ‘Comtesse Dusy’ (a white Tea) x ‘Crépuscule’, Tea-Noisette.) Early references said ‘Agnes Barclay’ grew to a maximum of 1.5m, and recommended it for a hedge to about 1m. It was widely planted. References described it as a Hybrid Tea and “almost a Polyantha”, and “somewhat like ‘Fortune’s Yellow’.” A coloured advertisement dated 1927 shows “a semi-double soft salmon-pink rose with marked yellow stamens” (Susan Irvine’s Rose Gardens, 1997, p. 253).
If the stated parentage is correct, one could speculate about a dwarfing gene.
The blooms of “Upper Beaconsfield” start yellow tipped with apricot, and age to pink at the tips of the petals, with the intensity of the pink colour varying. They are semi-double. It flowers in flushes.
Moderate sweet Tea scent.
The receptacle is constricted at the top. The pedicel has stalked glands, the receptacle has smaller or sessile glands.
It sets some hips, with many seeds.
There are hooks behind some leaves, but the canes are prickle-free.
Leaves are elongated, and leathery when mature.
Small bush, to about 1m.
It may be ‘Agnes Barclay’ but lacks continuity of the name."
There is a B &W photo in the Agnes Barclay file, but we haven't tracked down the colour ad.
The Agnes Barclay references make no comment about prickles (except for the 1990s ones, which are about the foundling).
I can accept Crepuscule as a parent, given the colour range, but am having trouble with Comtesse Dusy. Maybe Alister Clark was relying on memory rather than documentation. It happens.
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No, sorry Michael. A question intended for Margaret.
Margaret - I have changed the class from polyantha to shrub. One day, would you do a petal count please.
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Tip Top was in the row at Renmark that got hit by spray drift from the apricots next door. I don't know if it was one of the survivors but won't be going back to check. It came from John N, who was, as far as I know, the one who tacked the Agnes Barclay name onto the foundling, so presumably he didn't think it was Tip Top.
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Good. Eliminating the contenders brings us a tiny step closer.. Thanks Margaret.
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20 petals on the first one counted. Yellow stamens but not out of the ordinary: I suspect that what Susan Irvine saw in the photo ad for Agnes Barclay (reference from 1927) was the yellow base to the petals, if it is the same rose.
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Or possibly prominent stamens, although I cannot see too many prominent stamens in any photo. Her words were “ ….with marked yellow stamens.”
Comparing your photo of “Upper Beaconsfield” 387979 (the one below the seeds photo) and
HubertG’s 1925 black and white photo of ‘Agnes Barclay’,
the buds seem to be placed well up from the foliage. A similar side-on photo would be valuable.
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It would be interesting to know how this rose was associated with and sold as 'Agnes Barclay'. Was it simply an entirely forgotten-about foundling that someone later thought might be 'Agnes Barclay' because of the colour and habit? Or was there some memory of its name in the town in which it was found as Agnes something, or it being a Clark rose?
The recent photos posted by Margaret Furness do show small clusters which does seem to match the 1925 'Argus' newspaper photograph. Hard to say about the flower form from earlier photograph though.
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