Hi guys -- anyone know how to reliably tell Anais Segales (NZ) from De la Grifferaie? I discovered a set of suckering rootstocks under a blanket of weeds at our new property; the flowers vary somewhat, but I think it's likely location rather than different varieties. (Even the thorniness varies from cane to cane!) A nurserywoman suggested they were likely De la Grifferaie, as it was a common rootstock found around old houses. The flowers seem to match up, at least to some of the photos I've seen, albeit a more blue-leaning pink rather than red-leaning; the shrubby-yet-rambling habit also seems to match.

I also bought an Anais Segales, which has flowered for the first time this year: they're remarkably similar! In fairness these were its first flowers, and the first flowers are often atypical here. Honestly it's hard to tell. In the long run it may matter, as AS is said to sucker widely but only to 3ft tall, while DlaG can apparently get to 6ft or taller. Any ideas anyone?