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I found this rose bush in my grandmas garden, in Portugal (Lisbon) , it is more than 30 years old in that spot, it looks to me Like an old Hybrid Tea...very fragrant, prone to black spot, some repeat later in the season, not very thorny, it grows to a height of 4' to 6' (120 to 185 cm). I didn't do the petal count yet, but will do it very soon when it flowers, this rose is drought and heat resistant and is, in it's own roots. I have been trying to find it's name, for a long time with no success.
I would appreciate some help of my fellow rosarians.
Please do drop me some possible names. Thank you!
And Thank you for this wonderful site!
God bless, Gonçalo.
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You can add a photo to this post for starters.
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#2 of 10 posted
4 MAR 11 by
Gonçalo
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I posted some photos , finaly, after a year or so... would this rose be Madame Abel Chatenay?
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i don't theeenk so......... At least it is not like the 'Mme. Abel Chatenay I grow. But I do see some similarities between your buds and those of the Rosenzeitung 1897 picture uploaded by Jedmar.
Jack Harkness said "Its two or three pink colours blended in so distinctive a manner that the colour was known as ‘Chatenay pink’." and I suspect there is too much yellow in your rose. Here is what I grow as 'Mme. Abel Chatenay'
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#4 of 10 posted
5 MAR 11 by
Gonçalo
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Thank you for your reply Patricia!
I agree with you most of the pictures here in Helpmefind seem more pink than yellow, although mine does look a bit like the picture uploaded by Calif Sue...Is your rose bush grafted?
My soil is very alcaline here by the sea, and mine is not grafted, would that make a terrible difference?
Does your Madame Abel Chatenay has a good second flush of flowers later in the season?
My mystery rose doesn't have, it has very few flowers in late summer... Oh well I'll keep looking.
I send a Photo of a flower bud of a cutting growing in a pot... a bit more pink...
Thank you! You have a very impressive rose collection! Congratulations!
Gonçalo
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Hello again Goncalo.
Most of my bushes are own root roses, including 'Mme. Abel Chatenay.
My soil is acid and I am sure a rose would grow differently in an alkaline soil.
We have noted that roses here in cool acid are long and lanky, whereas in a hot alkaline (South Australia) climate they were shorter and stockier. But there are so many variables in different locations. My 'Mme. Abel Chatenay' is repeat-flowering now (the first week of our autumn)
The impressive rose collection? - it is only because every single thing I stuck in grew roots.
And I was over the moon at having my very own antiques at absolutely no cost. But most of all I loved to have those roses from the very old ladies that I met along the way. Just like you loving the rose from your grandma's garden. I do hope someone else can recognise it one day. Give it your own "study name" and keep showing us pictures over the years.
Regards, Patricia
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Mrs Dunlop Best is a survivor rose in a soft orange shade. I can't see the leaves clearly in your photos. but Mrs Dunlop Best's leaves are distinctive - they have a wavy edge, like holly (ilex). You might like to compare your rose with the photos posted on helpmefind.
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#7 of 10 posted
15 MAR 11 by
Gonçalo
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Hi Margaret!
I am impressed has my mystery rose resembles quite a lot with Mrs Dunlop Best, I will investigate further!
I will post some photos of the leaves.
Do you have Mrs Dunlop Best? If yes, is your rose very free flowering, even in Autumn?
---------- I already have the answer for this question in a comment you made of the picture to this rose. thank you.
Mine has only a few scatered blooms later in the season... its in it's own roots in a very chalky poor soil...
------- this might be the reason for it´s short rebloom...
Thank you ever so much for your help! I would love to tell my grandma what is the name of that rose and the year it was Hybridize .
Gonçalo Bordado
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Hmmm, probably not Mrs Dunlop Best. I wondered about Mrs A R Waddell, another survivor rose in the areas of Australia which have a mediterranean climate, but the sepals don't often extend as far beyond the tip of the bud as in your rose. Both roses repeat well in my garden. So I don't think I've helped you.
Good luck with finding the right answer!
Margaret
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#9 of 10 posted
25 MAR 11 by
Gonçalo
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Wow! this one is also very similar to my rose! the flowers are incredibly similar! finding the right name and His history will be much harder than I though in the beginning of this quest, I wont give up! I´ll try Peter Beals Catalog.
Thank you for your answer! Happy Rose season!
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#10 of 10 posted
26 MAR 11 by
 RoseBlush
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Gonçalo
You can actually continue your search on HMF on your own rather than waiting for other site users to suggest possibilities to you for identification of your rose. As a non-premium member you can only search one criteria in the ADVANCED SEARCH, but if you became a premium-member, you could do a search of the whole database with multiple criteria. For example you might want to search both hybrid teas and tea roses in CLASS, you could also include the bloom cycle under BLOOM, and further narrow your search by an INTRODUCTION date, then you could select a COLOR that might fit your rose. As for color, you have to remember that over time roses that we now call orange were at one time called yellow, so you could first do your search for all of the above criteria and choose ANY YELLOW for the color. If that didn't work you could refine your search and choose ANY ORANGE. There are a lot of different ways you can do the search based upon what you know about the rose.
The search results will often give you roses that are no longer in commerce, but are in the database because they have been referenced in old rose books and some of them give very good descriptions.
Just a thought.
Smiles,
Lyn
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