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Margaret Furness 
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Would someone who grows "Kombacy Marianne" please comment on whether they have ever seen hips on it.
I note that Mme De Watteville has three descendants, as seed parent.
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#1 of 14 posted
3 DEC 21 by
HubertG
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I've only had my cutting-grown plant for a short time and it's still in a pot but I was very curious to know whether it would set hips and so have looked carefully for stigma and stamen etc in most of its flowers. Generally they weren't formed but in one flower there were several normal-looking stigma and I pollinated them using pollen at hand. It seemed to take and swell quite quickly as if a normal hip would develop, but unfortunately recent wet weather caused it to start browning and it rotted off. In my limited experience, my speculation is that hips won't set naturally very often but it's quite possible that careful artificial fertilisation might produce some hips. I'd be curious to know others' experience too.
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I don’t think I have ever seen a hip, but can’t guarantee that. I like to deadhead this plant and will tie a bit of ribbon to it to alert me to watch for anything.
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Thank you.
Mme de Watteville also has a descendant listed, as pollen parent.
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#4 of 14 posted
5 AUG by
HubertG
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I noticed that my winter flowers this year had relatively normal looking stigma and there seems to be a hip developing on one at the moment, I'd say about two months old and it's rather oval-shaped.
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For the next edition of the Mystery Roses booklet (which will only be on-line), I'm asking those who grow any of them to let me know if they're seed-fertile. I don't know whether a hip set in winter will ever ripen. Anyway, if the hip looks like it will persist, I'd love a photo of it, please.
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#6 of 14 posted
8 AUG by
HubertG
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Margaret, here's the hip on my plant. It isn't large; just 13mm across and about 20mm long. I suspect that there is a seed or two in there otherwise it would not have remained on the plant, which is still a young cutting-grown plant in a pot. If it ripens or falls off I'll let you know what it contains. Please feel free to use the photo, Margaret, if you think it's worthwhile.
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Thank you! I'll be interested to see if anything comes of it.
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You are a hip-whisperer HubertG! I have checked thousands of spent blooms on our plant over the years and have yet to find anything that didn't dry up and drop off. Yours look promising.
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#9 of 14 posted
12 AUG by
jedmar
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Reassigned your two hip photos to "Kombacy Marianne"
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#10 of 14 posted
12 AUG by
HubertG
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Thank you billy teabag and jedmar. Nothing may come of the hip but the fact that it has stayed on for this long is encouraging. I noticed yesterday on my plant five new shoots growing from the abscission layer from where an old flower stem fell off. I did think it was interesting enough to post a photo of it, so I'll try to do that tomorrow.
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Did you get any seeds from the hip?
Margaret
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HubertG
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Margaret, sorry I forgot to follow up on this. In short, no, there were no seeds in the hip. It started to blacken prematurely and there was nothing inside that even approached looking like seeds. I was a little disappointed because I got my hopes up. I just posted a couple of photos, for what it's worth.
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Thank you.
And Mme de Watteville has three offspring listed, as seed parent. Hmmm.
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#14 of 14 posted
today by
HubertG
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Maybe only two offspring as a seed parent if the 1911 'The Garden' reference to 'Else Schüle' being a sport of 'Mme. de Watteville' is correct. I wouldn't doubt that under ideal conditions "Kombacy Marianne" might set a few hips with a few seeds. I think the relative lack of offspring of 'Mme. de Watteville' supports that theory that "Kombacy Marianne" is that rose.
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This is strikingly like the preceding black-and-white illustration.
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This rose is red and not lt pink, and also very double.
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I think the R rubiginosa label refers only to the hips.
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#2 of 2 posted
6 days ago by
Bug_girl
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Thank you! I'm still learning all the things.
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Hello there. Just thought I would add a comment and upload photos of our Park’s Yellow in commerce as that is into its second season in France lower Cévennes zone 8b ish. It was purchased and planted in November 2022 from Loubert as a bare-root assumed grafted onto Laxa. It is currently the most floriferous Rose variety in our gardens and has produced three new shoots around a metre long and the foliage shows not the slightest sign of disease especially black spot which almost all the varieties have to some degree at this time.
There are eight buds and seven open flowers, only the two principal canes appear to have prickles. The flowers are as described here and the scent is definitely strongly citrus- citrus tea. The flower also ressembles Fée Opale; Margaret Furness mentioned this variety to me in previous correspondence when I incorrectly stated that our Parks’ appeared sans prickles. It is non remontant.
PS I read that Parks discovered the original in China along with Banksiae Lutea in 1823/24 so if that is the case is there not a possibility that it could be found again - rediscovered in and around that same area, if the approximate location is known? Just a thought. Excusing myself in advance and putting protective hat on if that has already been explored previously with no positive outcome.
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#1 of 5 posted
7 days ago by
jedmar
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Parks supposedly bought this tea rose at the Fa Tee nursery in Canton, so it was not collected in the wild. Fa Tee is known to have brought together plants for sale to the crazy Westerners. The Chinese origin of the rose is thus unknown. Several contenders have been forwarded to be the original Park's Yellow, but I suppose it neeeds DNA analysis of known descendants to be able to make a better guess.
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Jedmar thank you for that information. I was just thinking out loud that if the original has been lost in Europe for quite some time then surely somewhere in SE China this variety could be growing not only in the ‘wild’ but private and public gardens? Am I being too simplistic? Today, are there many passionate growers of roses in that area like there are in Europe The US and Australia?
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Your photos look like a good match for others on the hmf page.
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#4 of 5 posted
6 days ago by
jedmar
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Yes, I have Loubert's Parks (bought as Rosa odorata ochtoleuca) - it is identical to the others disseminated by Beales.
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Yes Margaret. Realised that this year it’s the bicentenary of the ‘discovery’ / introduction of the original?
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