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Initial post 6 AUG 06 by Anonymous-797

Reply #1 of 23 posted 8 AUG 06 by William

Reply #6 of 23 posted 11 AUG 06 by Anonymous-105318

Reply #2 of 23 posted 9 AUG 06 by desert dweller

Reply #3 of 23 posted 9 AUG 06 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

Mermaid can, in NO way, be considered "lightly prickled"! They are LARGE, hooked and VERY SHARP! It's a wonderful rose and I adore it, but to even suggest it should be considered similar to a rose such as Zephirine is a great dis service to anyone making use of the misinformation. Mermaid can easily be used as living barbed wire. My place of employment has it enveloping wrought iron fencing. No one in their right mind would EVER attempt to breach that barrier! I've tried shredding Mermaid canes in a ten horse power shredder, years ago when I was much less careful than I've become with time. That was a MISTAKE! They would not shred, but began whipping around like heavily spiked tenticals of a giant squid, hooking me, shredding my clothes and literally attempting to pull me into the shredder! Mermaid is a great rose, but definitely one I would NEVER suggest growing anywhere it can "bite" anyone. Kim Rupert

Reply #4 of 23 posted 9 AUG 06 by William

Kim, My only intention was to give an alternate since I know of no other antique climber this is completely thornless. I do realize that it has SHARP thorns but in my encounters it hasn't had that many. William	REPLY

Reply #5 of 23 posted 10 AUG 06 by Anonymous-97434

There are a few of the Boursault Roses still around, and they are mostly thornless. http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=813 Their main drawback is they are once blooming.	REPLY

Reply #7 of 23 posted 30 AUG 06 by HMF supporting member

Jeri Jennings

Kim is correct! 'WARE 'Mermaid'!!! It is HEAVILY covered with vicious thorns.Thornless Climbing OGR's??? I'm not aware of any others -- but you CAN grow 'Reine des Violettes' as a low climber -- at least you can in warm climates. And it is virtually thornless.Be careful, however! MANY incorrect roses are sold under the name 'Reine des Violettes!!! This is a rose which I would ONLY purchase from a legitimate specialist grower. I have seen too many "wrong-uns." Jeri JenningsCoastal Ventura County, Southern California

Reply #8 of 23 posted 28 SEP 06 by Unregistered Guest

There is a rose called Martha which is a sport of Zepherine D (I think) that I bought about a year or two ago from Ashdown Roses. It hasn't bloomed as well for me as Zepherine does but I am still hopeful. It is nearly thornless and has grown well--I have it interwoven on a fence. It's a lighter pink with a light fragrance. Sorry I don't have a photo to send you.	REPLY

Reply #9 of 23 posted 28 SEP 06 by polliewogg

And there is another sport of Zephirine called Kathleen Harrop which is a lighter pink than Martha. Both are available from Vintage Gardens and there are pictures.	REPLY

Reply #10 of 23 posted 28 SEP 06 by HMF supporting member

Jeri Jennings

I should mention here that Zephirine Drouhan can have powdery mildew problems in areas where that is a problem. Of course, there are many areas where mildew isn't a big deal -- it's a huge issue where I live. Jeri Jennings Coastal Couthern California	REPLY

Reply #15 of 23 posted 16 MAR 07 by William

I talked with a microbiologist about black spot and she told me to try coarse ground corn meal. She said by accident she found it to kill the fungus in the ground. Sprinkle liberally as it will not harm the roses. If this works it will indeed be a find for natural remedies.	REPLY

Reply #11 of 23 posted 28 SEP 06 by Lulu

Try Climbing Pinkie or Climbing China Doll. These are not heritage roses but are both virtually thornless polyanther type climbers which can be bent easily so make excellent climbers for arbors, gates and verandah posts where prickles are dangerous. Both are pink and very floriferous blooming from spring till late autumn {fall}. I particularly love China Doll and it will strike quite readily if you want more.

Lulu

Reply #12 of 23 posted 11 MAR 07 by Ozarksroselady

I have a Madame Plantier (introduced in 1835). The blooms are white with a tiny green eye at the middle of the center button & have heavenly old-rose fragrance. She is nearly thornless, extremely cold-hardy/drough tolerant & disease-free. I have seen her growing as a graceful, bowing mound, but mine is growing up on a trellis and has canes approx. 12' long. She blooms once, in mid-May here in southern Missouri. See Claire Martin's book 100 Old Roses for the American Garden, p.192-193 for picture & history.

Reply #13 of 23 posted 11 MAR 07 by HMF supporting member

Jeri Jennings

I've seen Mme. Plantier used as a low climber along a picket fence, in a garden in an old Gold Rush town. This wasn't a deserted garden, but a lovely and well-tended one, and I really wanted to ask the lady there about her roses. She was working in her garden when we passed, and must be the only person I've ever met who did not respond favorably to: "Your roses are lovely." :-( Jeri	REPLY

Reply #23 of 23 posted 20 APR 16 by HMF supporting member

GeorgeZ

I've got a Mme. Plantier in my garden for the taking. Any takers?	REPLY

Reply #14 of 23 posted 11 MAR 07 by Ozarksroselady

I thought of another rose that might suit your needs....along with my Madame Plantier, I have growing a Cardinal de Richelieu (introduced 1840)...see Claire Martin's 100 Old Garden Roses for the American Garden, p.106-107. Martin's picture doesn't do the color justice...mine is the most intense deep grape-purple imaginable! The fragrance is of strong, old rose attar. Canes are nearly thornless. Again, mine is growing approx. 12' tall on a trellis--along with the white Mdm. Plantier. Together, they are breath-taking!

Reply #16 of 23 posted 16 MAR 07 by HMF supporting member

Jeri Jennings

Again, the lovely Cardinal de Richelieu is a rose that needs some chill hours. I wish I could grow it in my part of coastal Southern California, but I cannot. :-( Jeri Jennings	REPLY

Reply #17 of 23 posted 16 MAR 07 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Climbers which are thornless or with few thorns are mostly Multifloras or Noisettes, e.g. Aimée Vibert, Crépuscule, Donau, Emerick-Rose, Euphrosyne, Fortune's Double Yellow, Ghislaine de Feligonde, Lamarque, Madeleine Seltzer, Maria Lisa, Mme Alfred Carriere, Regierungsrat Rottenberger, Tausendschön, Veilchenblau	REPLY

Reply #22 of 23 posted 29 NOV 08 by BarbaraG SE Virginia

Lamarque's prickles may be widely spaced, but they are curved and lethal. Of the noisettes, Reve d'Or would be a better choice-- tiny prickles, and very few. Fortune's Double Yellow is right up there with Mermaid-- serious thorns.	REPLY

Reply #18 of 23 posted 7 APR 07 by Unregistered Guest

If your rose labelled Fortune's Double yellow is thornless, it's something else. FDY is a hooker. Nice list though; some of those I can't get hold of, and would love to grow.	REPLY

Reply #20 of 23 posted 8 APR 07 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Reply #19 of 23 posted 7 APR 07 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

A hooker is a rose that leaps out and acosts passers-by... I'm told that Claire Jacquier is sometimes sold as Fortune's Double Yellow, but I haven't grown CJ and don't know whether it is prickly.	REPLY

Reply #21 of 23 posted 19 APR 07 by HMF supporting member

billy teabag

Ralph Moore's 1954 'Renae' is an excellent thornless climbing rose. Healthy but not overly rampant. Very recurrent. Fragrant. The blooms are pink, aging to a lighter colour. The rose sold [in Australia] as "Beales Mons. Tillier" has many thornless stems. If you are in a mild climate this makes a beautiful, fragrant climber. The rose sold as "Adam" also has very few prickles.	REPLY

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Initial post 14 JUN 06 by Anonymous-103537

Hi! I'm re-posting these 4 found roses (in consecutive emails.) I'm in the Northeast, zone 4, all are unknown OGR's from gravesites and homesteads dating from the late 1800's to early 1900's. Any suggestions, info or names would be much appreciated. They're all growing in my garden now, all sucker freely. Thanks, Michele
PS, This is #1 ( of 4) roses, and is from a late 1800's gravesite, suckers freely, thin plentiful spines about 4 feet tall ( a gallica, no doubt)

Reply #1 of 4 posted 6 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi , Random House has a book of Old Roses that is available at Amazon right now on sale. I haven't seen it but I ordered it because it was ridiculously cheap and I have their book Random House Book of Roses and love it. I wonder if you might be able to ID some of your found roses in it?? your Library might have it. just a thought Jody Random House Book of Old Roses. It was on sale for 1.99 at Amazon . not sure if it is still on sale.. Later they still list it as 1.99

Reply #2 of 4 posted 4 NOV 06 by HMF supporting member

Cass

The most obvious possibility is that your rose is Charles de Mills. If you've checked and found that it is different, then...

Please take a look at the found Hybrid China that goes under a number of names: "Huntington The Bishop," and "Double Plum Hybrid China." Then see Velours Episcopal at the Vintage Gardens website, http://www.vintagegardens.com/roses.aspx?cat_id=18. The form shown is somewhat variable, but at least one of the shots is very similar to your rose.

These dark purple roses can be very difficult to capture with digital cameras, and browsers are notorious for showing the colors poorly. Something about the form of your rose reminds me of the rose "Hungtinton The Bishop."

One hint that your rose might be a Hybrid China rather than a gallica is that the foliage should be better, more lush and more disease resistant throughtout the season, without any premature aging that Gallicas sometimes show, looking a bit tired by the end of the season.

Reply #3 of 4 posted 11 MAR 07 by Ozarksroselady

I wonder if it could be Rose de Rescht...the form is similar. I have this rose in my garden and it is one of my favorites. I live in southern Missouri, zone 6. I, too, hunt old cemetaries for roses and have had good success.	REPLY

Reply #4 of 4 posted 9 AUG 09 by AbbyB

Looks like Charles de Mills to me. I had two actually and they both froze out.	REPLY

General / Miscellaneous most recent 7 APR 07 SHOW ALL

Initial post 24 FEB 07 by Unregistered Guest

Maidens Blush was used with orange blossom in the bouquets of Australian brides in the mid to late C19. Woiud any one know which rose this is and if it is still commercially available ? Thank you.	REPLY

Reply #1 of 4 posted 11 MAR 07 by Ozarksroselady

Reply #2 of 4 posted 12 MAR 07 by stephen scanniello

Reply #3 of 4 posted 12 MAR 07 by Unregistered Guest

I thank you for your help. this is most intersting. I wonder if William R Smith is commercially available in Australia. I will make enquiries , as I hate to have a noted rose disappear into obscurity. Kind Regards Barbara D	REPLY

Reply #4 of 4 posted 7 APR 07 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

(Great) Maiden's Blush is available through old-roses nurseries in most states of Australia; (Small) Maiden's Blush is less easy but it is around. (Hilltop and John's World used to have it but I'm reading an out-of-date directory). Both are albas, spring-only.
William R. Smith is around too; you may get it by ordering Dr Grill from a specialist old-rose nursery (but you might get Baronne Henriette Snoy, which is similar). The one I have was found by Pat Toolan. I didn't know it had been called Maiden's Blush; nice to learn these things.

What is this ? most recent 15 MAR 07 SHOW ALL

Initial post 3 MAR 07 by shicks

Please, I need someones help. I am trying to track down a rose that was carried by Jackson and Perkins in the early to mid '70's. It was a dark colored purple with a small bit of white in the very center. I have tried to look at the Midnight blue, but it looks like that one was introduced to late. I am sure I am looking for a needle in a haystack, but if anyone can remember this particular rose or has one I would really like to know how to get one. I have called Jackson and Perkins and without the true name I cannot see if they still carry it. I am sorry if this sounds so vaigue, but after 30 years all I can really remember is that it was a very dark purple and my dad planted it sometime between 1976 and 1979. If there is anyone who can help I would owe them a great deal of gratitude. Please e-mail me at my personal e-mail address if you have any information. Thank you

Reply #1 of 4 posted 11 MAR 07 by Ozarksroselady

I know of an intensely grape-purple rose--often with a bit of white at its center, but it is an antique rose called Cardianal de Richelieu (introduced in 1840). I do not know if J &P could have carried it during the 1970's. See Claire Martin's book 100 Old Roses for the American Garden, p. 106-107 for pictures & history. I doubt this will be of help to you, but I will keep my fingers crossed!	REPLY

Reply #2 of 4 posted 13 MAR 07 by Unregistered Guest

This one if very close! Unfortunately, Jackson and Perkins does not sell this one. Therefore, I am positive that it was not this particular one. I do, however, appreciate your taking the time and letting me know about this one. It is indeed beautiful and very close. I may have to go ahead and find one of these just so that I may have something at least close to what I am looking for. Thank you so much.

Reply #3 of 4 posted 14 MAR 07 by Jan's Wisconsin Garden

Hi Susan, Rhapsody in Blue was introduced in 1976 and is pictured in the newest Edmunds' Rose Catalog. It sure looks a lot like the one you have described. Jan	REPLY

Reply #4 of 4 posted 15 MAR 07 by Idahoroselady

Could it possibly have been Rose De Rescht. Also pulling a needle from a haystack. You might try calling or emailing J&P-someone there might offer some insight	REPLY