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RoseBarcelona (hybrid tea, Kordes 1932) most recent 18 MAR 22 SHOW ALL

Initial post 25 NOV 14 by true-blue

Pétales de roses, the online shop of Chemins de la rose in France, say that their Francis Dubreuil is the real one and not Barcelona. Here is the link to their Francis Dubreuil page: http://www.petales-de-roses.com/rosiers-anciens/206-francis-dubreuil.html	REPLY

Reply #1 of 9 posted 11 MAY 15 by MichaelG

Reply #2 of 9 posted 11 MAY 15 by true-blue

Reply #3 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by Tessie

What is the provenance of the Barcelona at The Huntington? It is said by multiple people to be extremely fragrant. One of them was a staff member (Judy something I think) who makes rose desserts from some varieties with the best fragrance for that purpose, and Huntington's Barcelona was one. But since there are such questions with the identify of Francis Dubreuil, how certain is it that The Huntington has the real Barcelona???? Did they get it from Sangerhausen? Because if so, this from the reference section presents a problem:

"Rosenlexikon
Book (1936) Page(s) 52.

Barcelona (HT) Kordes 1932; (Sensation X Templar) X L. Charlemont; deep crimson, shaded velvety blackish red, very large, double, fine form, cupped, lasting, fragrance 6/10, floriferous, blooms continuosly with interruptions, elongated buds, long stems, upright, growth 7/10, 70cm. Sangerhausen"

Fragrance is only 6/10? What people are growing in the US now as Barcelona is a very, very fragrant rose. So is it really Barcelona? Did Sangerhausen evaluate the correct rose, or not, per above? Or maybe The Huntington got their plant direct from Kordes????

Reply #4 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Reply #5 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by true-blue

Reply #6 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by Tessie

Yes, I've looked at both the notes and the Houzz thread. No provenance stated. Kim indicates he didn't check the records at the huntington, so he doesn't know the details on this rose. Although he mentioned a number of possible sources, we don't know from which one the Huntington acquired theirs. There are so many plants in commerce incorrectly identified as well as named varieties where there are multiple different roses being sold with the same name. And so much effort seems to be going into tracking down the real Francis Dubreuil, it seems reasonable to do a little verifying on Barcelona too.

Reply #7 of 9 posted 12 MAY 15 by true-blue

Reply #8 of 9 posted 30 MAY 18 by Aussie rose lover

Kim is quite correct in what he says about Francis Dubrueil and Barcelona. Francis has the much STR get scent of the two.It is as he says much like Oklaholma in style except that it is much darker bel g the shade of very dark amaranth and Black mulberry with blackberry overtones. Towards to middle and lower parts of the petals it lightens and becomes crimson scarlet and purple/pink.Even after 100 years it rarely exceeds more than a metre in height being very erect rather than loose and spreading. Barcelona is quite different for instance it is a shiny red with out being velvety like Francis D. IT IS ALSO more cupped once it has expands.

Reply #9 of 9 posted 18 MAR 22 by Ambroise Paré

I would not consider what n’ Chemins de la Rose ’ states, since they write about roses they have just acquired bare root one month earlier..	REPLY

RoseHeaven on Earth most recent 21 FEB 21 SHOW ALL

Initial post 1 MAY 15 by MichaelG

A possible mistake--the HMF description page says flowers are 1.75 inches, but flowers of my HoE (own root from Roses Unlimited) are consistently large. The globose buds are usually borne in triplets, opening a mild orange tone and fading to buff-apricot-pink pastel blends. They are intensely fragrant to my nose. The glossy foliage is susceptible to blackspot, as HMF says.

My plant flopped and flopped for two years under weight of the heavy blooms. Now, however, it has developed a sturdy framework of upright canes 4' tall. Some of the laterals droop in bloom, but I get flowers from the top of the plant to the ground, and the plant looks really good.

You could give this rose a tuteur or tripod 4-5' high. What I've done is stake each basal cane nearly upright when its flower buds start to swell. Leave the support for a couple of months. When deadheading, cut basals back to 1/4" diameter and shorten weak laterals.

It has been cane hardy to below zero.

(NC mountains)

Reply #1 of 2 posted 1 MAY 15 by HMF supporting member

Patricia Routley

Reply #2 of 2 posted 21 FEB 21 by peterdewolf

thats a very helpful report, thank you	REPLY

RoseBarcelona (hybrid tea, Kordes 1932) most recent 11 MAY 15 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 11 MAY 15 by MichaelG

While the description page says 'Barcelona' grows only to 28", mine was 5-6' tall in zone 7a, and Cynthia's 4-5' in zone 5--both as own-root plants. This is a tough, vigorous rose.	REPLY

RoseQuietness most recent 6 MAY 15 SHOW ALL

Initial post 27 NOV 11 by mysteryrose

I got mine--a big healthy specimen-- three years ago form an excellent own root nursery then in business in Michigan. The first two years, to my disappointment, it go black spot big time, although, yes, when it bloomed, it had a pleasant scent and many petaled flowers. In its third year, it seemed to come more into its own; it had very little black spot and seemed to perform relatively well, throwing off three or four nice blooms each long awaited cycle--although nowhere near to all the hype. Planted near to it all three years was a better rose, in my opinion, Pretty Lady, a lovely blooming machine, which each year put it to shame.

Reply #1 of 2 posted 11 OCT 14 by buckeyesouth

Reply #2 of 2 posted 6 MAY 15 by MichaelG

Regarding blackspot resistance, this is one of the roses that can be spotty or not depending on which races of blackspot you have in the garden. My Quietness was disease-free without fungicide for some years but then caught a strain of BS that is able to infect it. So, I started spraying mine. It is still worth trying in no-spray gardens because of its many excellent virtues.

-outstanding plant habit as a 5' shrub--dense with no flopping or rogue canes.
-outstanding repeat bloom compared to some other large roses.
-outstanding flower with good vase life, decent fragrance to my nose, and resistance to botrytis blight & thrips

(NC mountains).