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The rose at the Heritage is not only not red, but it reblooms too.
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30 AUG 17 by
 Tearose
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It also has Damask hips. It's even planted in the Damask Perpetual row rather than the Hybrid China row. It's obviously not Alphonse Maille, but can anyone figure out which DP it is so we can replace the plaque with the incorrect ID?
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How does it differ from 'Quatre Saisons'?
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13 SEP 17 by
Tearose
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It always seems to have a button eye, and the leaflets are more elongated.
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I think that rather than clutter up the 'Alphonse Maille' file, we should move the photos out into a file of its own, pending identification. Is there a "study name" that we can use?
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I wonder why the description says "mild fragrance". The patent says "highly fragrant". I think it has a strong fragrance too.
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16 MAR 16 by
boopie
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I see you have had this rose for awhile. How do you like it so far? Other comments make it seems as if it is a horrible rose. Yet your photos make it seem beautiful.
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This rose looks identical to Elie Beauvilain. Elie also has thick sturdy canes that I am only able to bend because they are so long. How is rebloom?
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There are some comments under the photo ID 250925.
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30 AUG 14 by
mashamcl
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Thank you. Foliage was what stopped me at first too. However, my Elie has both rounded and pointy leaves, I will upload a pic shortly to Elie. I also took a pic of lateral canes near the base. I can't bend them well unless they grow about 6' tall.
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2 MAY 15 by
kai-eric
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i did same observations on foliage and wood of le parré as did mashamcl on his elie beauvilain. receptacles can be slender or short based, clusters of both roses are looking a lot alike.
on the other hand 'le parré' proved to be extremly frostresistent 3 years ago when late onset of winter with -16°C ( 3.2 °F) killed a lot of my teas, 'elie beauvilain' among them.
the havy wood and strong growth of 'le parré' is evocative of early hybrid tea climbers as 'paul lédé'.
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Dear Masha,
I am really interested in 'Mrs. E. G. Hill'. Where did the rose come from? What does SU #12 mean.
Can you have a look at your plant sometime and let me know about .....
The placement of thorns?
Does the bush have brown-ish new foliage?
Does it ever have clusters of blooms?
Is the pedicel stiff and glandular.
I have a similar foundling rose but am floundering a bit with what it may be.
thanks.
Patricia
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30 AUG 14 by
mashamcl
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Patricia,
Here is the story as I remember it. The plant in the picture is at the San Jose Heritage. As far as I remember, it was called SU #12 because it was among a number of roses imported from Sweden ?. The tags of these roses got all mixed up during shipping, so they are all called Swedish Unknown # something. Jill might give you a better idea. Gregg Lowery apparently thought it looked like Mrs. E.G. Hill, so that is what it was tentatively called in their catalog. I later bought this plant from Vintage. My rose has always been semi-double, as described in the catalog, while the Heritage rose seems more fully double (perhaps because it is grafted, I don't know). My plant sometimes blooms in small clusters. My rose is in decline, so I cannot right now answer many of your questions. I will go and make pics of the thorns though.
Masha
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That is wonderful information Masha. Thank you so much.
Your photos seem a little similar to my "Birte Venske's No. 13" - see here
http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/l.php?l=2.62849&tab=1
In past years I noted my foundling had thorns only on the lower half of the bush.
This morning I was amazed to run my hands over most canes and find that it was now completely thornless.
I've added a few more refs to 'Mrs. E. G. Hill'.
I think I need to look more closely at 'Jonkheer J. L. Mock'.
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