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Sometimes there is alot of confusion because some nurserys in Germany use the wrong synonyms for some of the seven dwarfs, even we do so because to correct it would cause even more confusion for the other German nurserys.
here a complete list of all seven taken from the book modern roses 8:
GERMAN NAME / ENGLISH NAME / COLOUR / WRONG GERMAN NAME (RUF)
Alberich / Happy / currant red / Eberwein
Degenhard /Doc / phlox pink,semidouble /Bertram
Burkhard /Grumpy /pink,small,long truss / Degenhardt
Eberwein /Dopey /crimson-red, truss /Alberich
Bertram /Sneezy /neyron-rose,single /Burkhard
Giesebrecht /Bashfull / reddish pink,white eye,single /Giesebrecht
Balduin /Sleepy /rhodamine pink, very small /Balduin
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5 FEB 23 by
 jedmar
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What you are saying is that Happy, Doc, Grumpy, Dopey, Sneezy are mislabeled in German nurseries. Are they correct in Sangerhausen?
In order not to increase the confusion we will add your comment as a note to the respective rose.
Why don't you change the names to the correct one in your own nursery for a start? We will then approach the other German nurseries for their comments.
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Hello,
Thats really a problem i decided longer ago. One thing is, that in Germany Alberich (Dopey) and Degenhard (Grumpy) are the only two varieties which are common in some nurserys. So if they will chage the Name, they will miss the other varieties. The other thing is that for all Customers which have these two in their Gardens they will surely not change the name or get Information about this, so a name-changing will cause confusion. Thats the reason because i did place this information on HMF still 5 Years ago, but forgot it at bashfull.
In Sangerhausen im not sure, but the had long ago Happy an Doc, dorrectly labeld, but not with german synonyms. I recognized that confusion in the middle 90s when i ordered the 5 missing Dwarfs in an English nursery and in the end i git one variety double and Doc was missing. So i was lucky to get it from Sangerhausen and was able to recognize the Problem.
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this Photo shows Giesebrecht
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5 FEB 23 by
jedmar
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Reassigned, thank you!
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not for that! do you remember to help me and tell how to add new varieties?
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#3 of 3 posted
5 FEB 23 by
jedmar
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Available from - Gandy's Roses
http://www.gandys-roses.co.uk/catalogue/roses/compacta-roses
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24 FEB 09 by
Cass
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Hello, James. Are we certain that Gandy's is selling the polyanthas from the 1950's, newly packaged as "Compacta Roses"? I couldn't tell from checking the website.
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Hi Cass,
Check the term "Compacta Roses" in the Help Me Find Glossary on the left of your screen.
C.W. Groves & Son also sells them as "Compacta Roses", and they have nice pictures.
"Compacta Roses" should indicate that Gandy's roses (without the pictures) are the correct polyanthas from the 1950's. 'A picture is worth a thousand words.'.
Jim
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25 FEB 09 by
Cass
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I'm embarrassed the information was right in front of me! Thanks, Jim.
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Hello Cass,
the term Compacte roses ist original from the Breeder who introduced them in the 1950s under this name because they are really diffrent from other miniature-roses
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Sometimes there is alot of confusion because some nurserys in Germany use the wrong synonyms for some of the seven dwarfs, even we do so because to correct it would cause even more confusion for the other German nurserys.
here a complete list of all seven taken from the book modern roses 8:
GERMAN NAME / ENGLISH NAME / COLOUR / WRONG GERMAN NAME (RUF)
Alberich / Happy / currant red / Eberwein
Degenhard /Doc / phlox pink,semidouble /Bertram
Burkhard /Grumpy /pink,small,long truss / Degenhardt
Eberwein /Dopey /crimson-red, truss /Alberich
Bertram /Sneezy /neyron-rose,single /Burkhard
Giesebrecht /Bashfull / reddish pink,white eye,single /Giesebrecht
Balduin /Sleepy /rhodamine pink, very small /Balduin
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