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most recent 19 JUL 20 SHOW ALL
Initial post 8 JUL 20 by SteffenAlbrecht
We moved to a new house with very few roses in the garden (instead, mostly rhododendrons, hortensias, cherry laurels and the like ...), but one I have a mind to keep is a large floribunda or small shrub with light pink, medium-sized (around 2"/5 cm) flowers in small clusters, around 40 petals each, with a very light fragrance and keeping their color for very long. Their form is rather like English roses, but the fact that we live in Hamburg and the house was built around 1980 makes it rather more likely this is a Kordes rose from around that time or possibly later. (Kordes roses are extremely dominant in the gardens around here.)

I have already spent hours sifting through HMF's advanced search, and even though pink roses are not that rare I have been unable to come up with even a close match. Bad Birnbach is somewhat similar in appearance, but the form of the flowers seems different. On some photographs Leonardo da Vinci looks rather similar, on others it doesn't, and besides, it has about twice the number of petals. And these two are my best guesses ...

Does anyone have a better guess? I am sort of stuck.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 18 JUL 20 by ThomasR
Hello Steffen.
I am not certain but your pictures, except the fourth one, reminded me of the first flush of Centenaire De Lourdes. This rose used to be very popular in France, but was it in Germany ? I have one planted and I didn't pay much attention to it ! The first leaves this Spring were rounded, but maybe not as systematically as your rose's. Was your picture taken during Spring ? The flowers of Centenaire De Lourdes got different later on, flatter, loser and more obviously semi-double in my opinion. As for the leaves, they are at this time all devoured by snails I think.
I am sorry I never counted the petals and I only have two pictures of the first flush flowers !
Reply #2 of 5 posted 19 JUL 20 by SteffenAlbrecht
Hi Thomas,
Thanks, there is decidedly a certain likeness. Still, my rose has a lot more petals, a darker pink, and almost no scent. I have a hunch we're probably looking at something a lot more prosaic than this old and famous rose ...
Reply #3 of 5 posted 19 JUL 20 by ThomasR
You are welcome ; I wonder if some modern roses aren't even longer to identify than older ones !
Reply #4 of 5 posted 19 JUL 20 by SteffenAlbrecht
Allerhop seems an extremely close match, but it's kind of hard to say with a rose no longer commercially available and the only photos here at HMF from a single plant only. Also, how likely is it that I have a rose that apparently nobody else has ...
Reply #5 of 5 posted 19 JUL 20 by ThomasR
Have you tried contacting the former owners of your house ? If the rose was planted by them, they may remember its name or where and when they purchased it. Also the online shops of German nurseries/breeders could give you some ideas... I haven't been a member of this site for a long time and I actually do not know much, but whenever I see a rose that looks like yours l will tell. Maybe closer pictures of different parts of your rose could help being sure of your identification.
Good luck, Thomas.
most recent 30 JAN 20 SHOW ALL
Initial post 10 JUN 12 by SteffenAlbrecht
The description says "pink and yellow". But as all the photos show, this rose is white.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 30 JAN 20 by CybeRose
White is the typical color of the Scotch rose, but color variants turn up ... or so I've read.

Sabine (1822) gave an account of the origin of the first double Scotch roses in assorted colors.

I am indebted to Mr. ROBERT BROWN, one of the partners of the firm at the above period, for the following account of their origin. In the year 1793, he and his brother transplanted some of the wild Scotch Roses from the Hill of Kinnoul, in the neighbourhood of Perth, into their nursery garden: one of these bore flowers slightly tinged with red, from which a plant was raised, whose flowers exhibited a monstrosity, appearing as if one or two flowers came from one bud, which was a little tinged with red; these produced seed, from whence some semi-double flowering plants were obtained; and by continuing a selection of seed, and thus raising new plants, they in 1802 and 1803, had eight* good double varieties to dispose of; of these they subsequently increased the number, and from the stock in the Perth garden the nurseries both of Scotland and England were first supplied.
most recent 6 MAR 19 SHOW ALL
Initial post 4 JUN 10 by Charles Quest-Ritson
This is a photograph of a Moss rose. 'Josephine de Beauharnais' was an Alba and/or a HP.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 8 JUN 13 by SteffenAlbrecht
That is probably true, I was wondering as well, but then the rose is mislabelled in the Roseraie du Val de Marne (Hay).
Reply #2 of 3 posted 12 MAY 14 by Chris Bensick
Vintage Gardens of California has also sold this rose (imported from Loubert) as Josephine de Beauharnais. Like the photo from Roseraie de l'Hay, it is very mossy, and unlike the published descriptions, it has deep crimson flowers. Although the attribution (by both Loubert and l'Hay) is possibly a misnomer, it is a fine rose and any further information about its identity would be appreciated.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 6 MAR 19 by HollyH2
Yes, I purchased mine from Vintage and mine is a moss, dark pink. Magenta. At first I thought it could be Eugene de Beauharnais but it doesn’t resemble it at all. Not in the buds, foliage or prickles. It’s a beautiful rose, whatever it is, for now, mine stays labeled as Josephine with a question mark after it.
most recent 13 SEP 18 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 13 SEP 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Does your 'New Dawn' regularly have a second flush of flowers?
Regards, Andrew.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 13 SEP 18 by SteffenAlbrecht
Hi Andrew,

no, not usually. This year it's a single flower.

Best regards, Steffen
Reply #2 of 2 posted 13 SEP 18 by Andrew from Dolton
Thanks Steffen for your quick response. There is more discussion in the members' comments section about this roses repeat flowering ability which seems to be becoming less and less.
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