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StefanDC
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The current accepted name for this species is Rosa caesia Sm.
See:
powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:731918-1
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#1 of 3 posted
12 days ago by
jedmar
We have Rosa caesia Sm as the current name of the species Rosa coriifolia Fries. Rosa coriifolia froebelii is the understock introduced by Froebel in 1890 (Laxa). Added a clarification.
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12 days ago by
StefanDC
Thanks, but shouldn't this actually be listed as a cultivar of R. caesia, then? If you check the link, you'll see that R. coriifolia var. froebelii is listed as synonym of Rosa caesia along with R. coriifolila. It should really be listed as such in the names section, along with a good clarification. The best name would seem to be Rosa caesia 'Froebelii'.
Stefan
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12 days ago by
jedmar
Kew lists it as a heterotypic synonym, which means it is not exactly the same, but a variant. The names in our listings are based on the references. HMF is not a botanical site and we do not add new names without a reference. In any case, it is more important to keep the listing of the understock separate from the general species.
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Does anyone have a Peach Swirl that doesn’t have Mosaic virus? Will the RMV eventually kill my rose? This is one of the most vigorous growers in my garden, and seems to have good black spot resistance (a very good thing here on the east coast!). This rose, even with RMV, wasn’t badly affected by black spot and didn’t seem to mind the few spots it did get. It put out several flushes of flowers, and was one of the most floriferous roses in my garden. It powered through the spotted lanterfly infestation in my county (the nymphs love tender new growth, and Peach Swirl is very vigorous), seemed untroubled by my compacted, heavy clay soil, and seemed absolutely fine with the extra waterings it got (from an overhead sprinkler!) because it’s next to the vegetable garden. Heat and humidity didn’t seem to bother it; it just kept putting out beautiful healthy, fast-growing basals — with mottled RMV leaves. Rain doesn’t ruin the flowers, the Japanese beetles were all too busy enjoying my “Strike it Rich” to bother Peach Swirl. It seems ok with cold, too. It was one of my last roses to flower last fall, and the leaves are still looking pretty good now (we’ve had rain, snow and sleet several days in the past few weeks).
If this rose dies from RMV, I’ll definitely want another one to replace it with. It really brightens up the area. The flowers are fragrant in my garden, and so beautiful. The fall flush, especially, was amazing. I didn’t know what RMV was when I brought this rose home, but I’m definitely happy to give it garden space because it really is a fantastic rose.
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22 JAN 22 by
StefanDC
Don't worry about RMV killing your rose--it's not lethal, and often has only a mild impact on the rose's performance, but it is too bad that the rose hasn't been propagated in a more conscientious way. In this day and age, there is no excuse for new introductions to be infected with RMV.
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Your comments regarding rose mosaic virus are right on. I acquired a plant of Peach Swirl 2 months ago. It has fully leafed out and ready to bloom. So far there is no evidence of RMV. The disease is most likely to manifest in the first growth flush. However RMV is a quirky disease so I will closely watch the plant moving forward. According to Malcolm Manners, noted expert on RMV, about 20% of the roses available to the public in the US are infected with RMV. I can understand the situation when an older rose, prior to 1990, is infected. It is a sad situation when a recently introduced cultivar is virused. If Peach Swirl turns out to be a really good rose and there is no virus free stock available, it should be considered for viral elimination by heat treatment.
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27 FEB 12 by
goncmg
A shame this rose is barely available if at all......the blooms are a little small, the plant tends to grow wider than tall, and the form is not for exhibition but the color is lovely! Always reminded me of "fruit on the bottom" yogurt in boysenberry or some sort of berry! The scent is insane, strong and hard and makes your mouth water. Grew this one for 10 years in the 80's until we moved and by then it was not easily found. Scent seems to be "in" now, again/finally and the namesake has always been well-esteemed. Maybe someday this one will re-appear. It is a nice, good rose.
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The name is hard to remember, perhaps that's the downfall.
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Maybe it could be rebranded as "Calvin Klein," or is that name also past recognition these days? It's so hard to keep up. :-)
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This appears to be another selling name for the rose listed here separately as Cat Woman. There are some identical photos posted for these online by Bierkreek in the Netherlands (as Faith, Hope, and Love(R)) and by Amore Roses in New Zealand (as Wonder(R) Cat Woman).
www.bierkreek.nl/webwinkel-bestel-roos-online-en-bezorging/faith-hope-and-love/
www.amoreroses.co.nz/store/p206/WONDER%C2%AE_Cat_Woman.html
It appears to be a hybrid with a strong R. bracteata and R. rugosa background.
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11 JUL by
jedmar
Good catch! Clearly the same rose.
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