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Initial post 10 days ago by StefanDC
For a few references (including a correction for the location of the breeder), this was described in Modern Roses II, published in 1940; the entry there only changed slightly over the years. After looking at the scanned Bobbink & Atkins catalogs now available online, it appears in their 1941 catalog, although it was not in the 1940 catalog that I was able to locate. Maybe there was an in-between list in late 1940 that is not currently available in scanned form, as the introduction date mentioned in Modern Roses II is corroborated by another early reference (see below).

The Bobbink & Atkins 1941 catalog description reads, "PIKE’S PEAK. Shrub. A splendid new shrub Rose originated by Dr. N. C. Gunter of Pueblo, Colo., from a native wild Rose found growing there, crossed with the Hybrid Tea, Hollywood. Plants grow 4 to 5 feet tall and carry a splendid crop of 3 1/2-inch double flowers of bright red with yellow to white centers. It is moderately fragrant. A splendid addition to the list of the few dependable Shrub Roses. 13 petals. Propagation rights reserved. $1.50 each."

So it seems that the breeder is not from the United Kingdom, but from Pueblo, Colorado, in the U.S.

The listing in the Bobbink & Atkins 1941 catalog can be seen at The scanned 1940 catalog I was able to find (where it does not appear) is available at

The cultivar was also described in an entry by Stephen F. Hamblin in The National Horticultural Magazine in October 1941 (page 287), titled Double Forms of Our Wild Roses: "A different plant, with semi-double red flowers on a plant like the wild Prickly rose, but clustered, is Pike's Peak, from pollen of Hollywood, HT., on the wild plant. This was produced by N. C. Gunter, and put in the trade by Bobbink & Atkins in 1940. It is a very pleasing "half-wild" rose, very vigorous and hardy." This can be found online at
Reply #1 of 2 posted 10 days ago by jedmar
Thank you, Breeder corrected and references added!
Reply #2 of 2 posted 10 days ago by Lee H.
Nice work!
most recent 10 JAN HIDE POSTS
Initial post 9 JAN by StefanDC
The variety that is being marketed in the U.S. as "Crimson Knight" is evidently this cultivar, since the same photo used in U.S. Patent #31,742 is also used on the Suntory Flowers website page (although they don't identify the actual cultivar name or even a patent number for any of the Brindabella Roses selections):
Reply #1 of 1 posted 10 JAN by jedmar
most recent 8 JAN HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 JAN by StefanDC
According to John Starnes' blog, this found rose was later reidentified as the cultivar 'Manettii' (suggesting it was originally the rootstock of another variety).
Reply #1 of 1 posted 8 JAN by jedmar
Thank you, listings merged.
most recent 7 NOV HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 NOV by StefanDC
This is probably a seedling of this variety, and not the variety itself. See the 1918 American Rose Annual reference in the References tab under the HMF entry for "Dawson seedling," where Edward K. Butler writes, "Dawson Seedling. This rose was raised by my father, and is not in commerce. In Color it is a pale salmon-pink, Fading to cream. We have grown it for almost twenty years, and it has always done well and been entirely free of disease. I have given a plant of this rose to Mr. A. J. Fish, and hope he may propagate from it. The photograph which accompanies this article was published in the Annual of the National Rose Society of England for 1915, but was there wrongly described as the Dawson Rose. It is reproduced here as being a good Illustration of the naturally symmetric form so often taken by These ramblers."
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