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In much the same way as others have questioned whether or not Belle Amour is in fact one of the parents of Constance Spry, I find myself wondering whether Queen of Denmark is in the parentage of Getrude Jekyll. When examining a flower from the former, the shape, colour, and most particularly the scent, have a great many similarities, at least in my experience. Does anyone have any thoughts on this?
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#1 of 4 posted
12 days ago by
Marlorena
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Not for me, no. I see similarities between 'Gertrude Jekyll' and 'Baronne Prevost'. I grew them both here and I could quite believe that they are connected. I've also had 'Queen of Denmark', but I wouldn't personally have made that association, so it's interesting that you find it so, and I know you are very observant.
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#2 of 4 posted
12 days ago by
 Nastarana
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Don't recall the reference, but I was under the impression that a Portland rose, C. de Chambord, is a parent of Gertrude Jekyll. I think that such was claimed by DA Co. back when they first released GJ.
C de C x Constanc Spry I seem to remember seeing somewhere.
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Nastarana, you are right about Comte de Chambord being one of the parents given for Gertrude Jekyll, though I believe it is supposed to have been used as the pollen parent, with Wife of Bath as the seed parent.
That is one of the things that doesn't add up for me. I have C.d.C., and while not totally dissimilar to Gertrude Jekyll in some ways, it doesn't really remind me of her as much as I feel it should. It certainly hasn't had a positive effect on decreasing the size of the plant, in the way that any good Portland would usually do. Also, the scent is distinctly different, at least to my nose - much more of a pure damask, and not really like G.J., which has a certain something extra to the fragrance that is more akin to something like, say, Queen of Denmark. The fact that no trace of the mryhh type scent from Wife of Bath being present also doesn't make sense to me, as this has been carried across several such roses of that period in breeding the English Roses, and seems to be quite a strong characteristic.
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Thank you, Marlorena, for such a compliment, though I'm not sure that I really deserve it!
I've never grown, or even seen, Baronne Prevost, but I've always thought it looks to be a very lovely rose, and it is supposed to be a grandparent of G.J., so if the given parentage is accurate, then that wouldn't be surprising that it is quite similar. (although Comte de Chambord, which is supposedly a descendant of Baronne Prevost, and the given pollen parent to G.J., is very much smaller)
Not to cast aspersions, but I have heard it said that there are doubts about a few of Mr Austin's roses as to their parentage, and this is one that I have started to question, just a little bit.
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Emma Bridgewater
https://www.davidaustinroses.co.uk/products/emma-bridgewater
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Thank you Marlorena. Added.
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This rose has the most beautiful red edged foliage, and lots of very red thorns on new shoots..
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How would you describe your Dannahue after a year, Marlorena? I haven’t seen a lot of commentary on it since shortly after it launched.
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Hi redclayroots..
I can't help you much with your question as I don't actually have 'Dannahue' in my collection, my observations are from what I've seen in gardens here and those who do have this rose.
I gather the blooms don't last too long but otherwise it's a most floriferous rose, and some report a good scent at times. I especially love the foliage I see on it.
That's all I know.
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What a disappointment! This is NOT a replacement for Jude the Obscure. The flowers are much smaller, only last a day or two, they are barely any fragrant - only on certain days under sunny humid conditions you can detect some scent. This is nowhere near the JTO ability to be fragrant at all times with a powerful scent. Generally the bush looks flimsy, disproportionally more greenery then flowers. it should improve with time apparently but i'm seriously considering binning it straight away before i put this in the ground. For those who watched a launch with Garden Ben - you should know he is just not to be trusted and he will praise any recent poor launches from DA.
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#1 of 7 posted
22 JUN by
jedmar
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What is the diameter of the blooms?
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it's 1-2 inches. I've seen in DA gardens some plans that had 2-3 inches flowers, but majority are that small...at least on a young plant.
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#2 of 7 posted
22 JUN by
Lee H.
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To be fair, Austin quantifies Dannahue blooms as medium (2-3.5 inches) and JTO as large (3.5-5 inches), and the fragrance as “medium” compared to JTO “strong”.
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Yeah the issue is, it's not even 2 inches for most of the blooms, and the fragrance is almost undetectable, at least for most of the days I tried to sniff it. JTO is a reliable fragrance machine, while this is just a parody. They clearly removed JTO from the sale to push for Dannahue and this is yet another replacement which doesn't really match the original qualities. Apparently, it supposed to be healthy, which isn't an issue for my JTO anyway.
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It's surely too soon to judge if you've only had it a few weeks.. these types of roses improve with age, both in size and scent.. so you should come back in a year or so and see what you make of it then.
Some people have already had this rose a full year as it was sent out in error in Spring 2022 it seems..
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I am sorry to hear that you had such a disappointing experience. When travelling to the UK I had the privilege to visit DA Rose Gardens where I saw and smelled Dannahue a few days after its introduction at RHS Chelsea (May 2023) and I had the exact same experience as Gardener Ben. I was blown away by Dannahue's scent so much so that I ordered 3 bare roots for my Garden in Europe. They are not in bloom yet so I will yet have to see how they performe outside the UK. All the best for you and your roses!
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Who is Garden Ben? The pix show what I would call a smallish floribunda with cute, cupped flowers. It reminded me a little of the Koster line of polyanthas. How is the rebloom? Maybe DA Ltd. is trying to get into the small hedge and groundcover market?
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