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most recent 19 FEB SHOW ALL
Initial post 16 FEB by KoryO
Available from - Kate Roses
Reply #1 of 3 posted 16 FEB by jedmar
The website of this nursery has insufficient information about location, owners and so on.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 19 FEB by Plazbo
Id assume it's the same seller that was running KatesRoseGarden on etsy (only on there it was her "Grandmothers" rose garden....that was somehow selling plants that only released in Japan in like 2020...), they were either being shipped from Japan or propagated in the USA and a lot of the plants were undersize/subpar....just a lot of not great feedback. Believe something potentially questionable legally too, I know I read a post somewhere from one the Japanese breeders saying it was violating their rights, just don't remember where that post was.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 19 FEB by Nastarana
There are some stunningly beautiful roses from Japan being offered on etsy lately. High prices, and, as you say, one wonders about the legality. I wish the actual Japanese companies would consider selling some of their creations in the USA.
most recent 17 DEC SHOW ALL
Initial post 20 SEP 11 by Kathy Strong
To be marketed by florists in the U.S. and Canada starting in November 2011. See,
Reply #1 of 6 posted 21 SEP 11 by Slugger15
100% blue pigmented petals, huh? I giggled a bit when I looked at the picture. Doesn't look any bluer to me than Neptune, Blue Girl, or Angel Face. They describe it as having a sweet smell, but methinks I smell something else going on.....
Reply #2 of 6 posted 23 FEB 14 by Michael Garhart
I am more impressed with Japan's other mauve roses, which tend to look very ghost-like and romantic, than I am with this rose. It looks so harsh and ... "eh."
Reply #3 of 6 posted 28 APR 17 by Plazbo
Personally I'd be interested to see what breeders could do with it, there's potential there to get far bluer than possible currently.

On the flip side though, given they know a large part of the issue is PH you'd think they'd do a bunch of testing to see if there are cultivars with a more appropriate PH and then either try the procedure again or cross with it rather than just leave it at a point that's already been achieved (or beaten). It's lack of marketting makes me suspicious though.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 3 MAY 19 by CybeRose
Breed Sci. 2018 Jan; 68(1): 79–87.
Published online 2018 Feb 17.
Recent advances in the research and development of blue flowers
Naonobu Noda*

"... the research group of Suntory and Florigene developed blue roses by genetic engineering (Katsumoto et al. 2007). Roses that have petals with a high flavonol content and relatively high pH—traits that are considered to be suitable for blue color development—were selected for gene introduction. Among various F3′5′H genes, the pansy F3′5′H gene was found to be effective for producing delphinidin-based anthocyanins in roses. In addition, a Torenia gene encoding anthocyanin 5-aromatic acyltransferase was introduced with pansy F3′5′H, which enabled acylation of anthocyanin with an aromatic organic acid, and the world’s first blue rose, Suntory blue rose Applause was created."

Maybe it is more impressive in person. Otherwise, I think I'd prefer to work with cultivars that are not patented inside as well as out.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 4 MAY 19 by jedmar
With all the work they did, it is still not "blue" as claimed
Reply #6 of 6 posted 17 DEC by Michael Garhart
Suntory is a MASSIVE corporation in Japan. It is plausible that this was more about proof of concept (genetic manipulation) for other parts of their industry, their stocks, and whatever else they were trying to boost at the time.
most recent 15 NOV SHOW ALL
Initial post 27 JUN 21 by christineb
Is there an error in the height listed? I believe this is considered a short rose, under 2'.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 27 JUN 21 by jedmar
While European nurseries give the height of 'Blue for You' as 90-100 cm, in Australia it seems to attain 150-200 cm. Who knows why' Different understock, climate?
Reply #2 of 5 posted 27 JUN 21 by christineb
English nurseries list the height as 60-90cm, and that is my experience here, so even smaller!
Reply #3 of 5 posted 28 JUN 21 by Plazbo
I assume mostly just the longer growing season. Middle of winter now (and the winter solstice just the other day so days are technically getting more daylight) and many moderns (and china's and polyantha's) like Blue For You are still sending out the occasional flower.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 29 JUN 21 by Kathy Strong
Blue for You gets to about four feet in San Diego, growing year round.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 15 NOV by Clairose
Yes in Australia mine reached 2.5 mtr high. Very upright strong growth. Does not like heavy pruning.
most recent 13 SEP SHOW ALL
Initial post 15 JUL 22 by steve fritz
I've owned this rose for a few years.

It is virtually disease free and fertile as both a pollen and seed parent.

It has rather small and sparse blooms for the large size of the plant. And I detect no fragrance.

It grows in a rather awkward angular form, about 7 feet tall and 5 feet wide.
Reply #1 of 4 posted 17 AUG 22 by RoseAddict_NorthTX
I agree with you, I have the same experience. She is a thorny monster, very irregular and ungainly, grows in all directions. I can’t detect much of a scent (she’s supposed to be of the Parfuma series). But she keeps blooming in our 100F weather (North Texas) like no other. The blooms are not huge but she keeps going. I may need to replant her somewhere else because she is just getting too big even though I prune her severely.
Reply #2 of 4 posted 19 AUG 22 by MADActuary
I will add to this by pointing out that in my Zone 5b (Chicagoland) garden the bloom petals burn so easily. I am having trouble seeing the redeeming qualities of this rose. It's growing well and yes, awkwardly, and blooming well. Only a mild fragrance for me thus far. But Dark Desire's blooms may be the most unattractive of all my 200 bushes. I should shovel prune it as it's occupying valuable garden real estate in a prime location but I'll give it until next summer to see if it improves.
Reply #3 of 4 posted 20 AUG 22 by Plazbo
It's curious the lack of smell. I've smelt it as a few nurseries (I've never bought it) and it's always smelt strongly of potpourri with kind of dusty/soapy tones.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 13 SEP by Jay-Jay
Where it grows in Winschoten (Rosarium) it produces lots of flowers flowers, that are rather large and have a strong pleasant scent... But some of the flowers were almost scentless!!!
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