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being sold as Valentine in Australia
swanes.com/valentine-winter-rose.html
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Looks like Knights Roses are selling this as Silver Flash, based on the bronze medal winner 2021 and Harkness breeder, nothing else that year fits.
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31 JAN by
Johno
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Looks like it. Shows the tell-tale white streak, with the white becoming more pronounced as the bloom ages.
The only other red Harkness bronze medal winner in 2021 was N 293 A, but it lacks the white flash.
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Appears it my be cyclic bloomer. Had a distinct flush, now no blooms, just new growth. Just interesting given Warner's hulthemia (the obvious comparison here in Aus) all (mostly?) seem to be continuous bloomers.
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The 'view US patent' on Woburn Abbey has an error and is not visible. I am curious who initiated this US patent as HMF doesn't state a US importer. I have records of Dries Verschuren sending budwood to Carlton Nurseries on 23 aug 1962 and I'd like to check the patent registration.....
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20 SEP by
Plazbo
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looks like the usa patent site has changed things a bit again and requires a requestToken
should be able to access via if the token doesn't have a short expiry time.
ppubs.uspto.gov/dirsearch-public/print/downloadBasicPdf/PP02319?requestToken=eyJzdWIiOiI2NTFmNmY1MC1mODAyLTQ0YzgtOTU3OS1kMTU0OGFjYThiNDEiLCJ2ZXIiOiIxMmNhZDkwMy1mY2JhLTQ2NjQtOGU2MC1kOTRmODQwNDZiY2IiLCJleHAiOjB9
either way the assignor (assume who filed for it) was Jackson & Perkins Company, Newark, N.Y. and was filed Oct 9, 1962
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20 SEP by
jedmar
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Use Patent Public Search, then enter PP02319 in Basic Search. Missing info added.
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Thank you...issue solved as to what Dries Verschuren's role in this would be....
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20 SEP by
jedmar
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Was it 'Parel von Aalsmeer'?
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No, amongst the 4 roses Dries Verschuren entered for registration in 1961 there also was a no. 5, Woburn Abbey, which went through the procedures of registration, but I have no proof of it being actually registered in the Netherlands with full 'kwekersrecht' (of vthe other 4 roses I DO have the full registration with the organisation Centraal Rassenregister (the Dutcjh official office for registration of roses).
As HMF states it was bred by an English breeder and the patent shows this as well. For me it is strange to discover that budwood of it was sent to the US by Dries Verschuren to be budded in California....whilst Jackson & Perkins had it patented in the US some months later. Alas I cannot post attachments here but it still is an unsolved matter to me....sort of frustrating for the book ...
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