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most recent 23 OCT 22 SHOW ALL
Initial post 25 FEB 04 by Anonymous-797
I just read Gwen's review of Stainless Steel. As an organic gardener, I would recommend to anyone living near a coastal area to avoid hybrid teas and grow rugosas instead. Hybrid teas require too much fertilizer and insecticides (environmental "unbalance"). Rugosas are native to seaside areas and are tough, fragrant, and require little fertilization and attention. They hate all types of spraying. They practically grow in sand in their native provinces. The best performing plants of any kind are either native species or those grown in areas that mimic their original surroundings. Gwen would have an easier time making the switch. Please be assured-this is not an inappropriate comment, just sound advice for gardeners like myself who treasure our earth.
Reply #1 of 15 posted 28 APR 05 by Unregistered Guest
I live on the coast which rugosas do you recommend?
Reply #2 of 15 posted 2 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Please email me and let me know what size you have in mind. Do you have a large or small garden? More hybrids have appeared on the market to help us with the shrinking size of our garden space. I can narrow down the choices for you if size is an issue. If not, then I'll give you the names of some good ones. By the way, any particular color choice? Victoria
Reply #3 of 15 posted 22 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Dear Cecile; I did reply to you, but I don't know if the message got through to you. Please let me know. Thanks, Victoria. I apologize for taking so long to reply. I did not realize that I had received a reply until last week. Sincerely, Victoria. PS-I actually gave you a list of rugosas and landscaping roses. If you did not receive it, I will write it again and re-send it.
Reply #4 of 15 posted 22 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Dear Celia; I apologize for misspelling your name. Please let me know if you received my list of rugosas. Thank you, Victoria
Reply #5 of 15 posted 23 MAY 05 by Unregistered Guest
Reply #6 of 15 posted 24 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Dear Celia; I will send you a list tomorrow evening. I wrote a long list for you but evidently the program did not transmit. I'll be in touch shortly. It is 1:30 a.m. here. Blessings, Victoria
Reply #8 of 15 posted 28 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Celia, I have twice sent you a list of rugosas that was a page long, and each time the list did not transmit. Is there some way that I can send the list to you directly or through another website? The only information that I see posted is the addendum about the yellow rugosas, and this is an afterthought that closes out the huge list that I sent to you. I wrote a list of rugosas by colors and sizes, and the names of hybridizers. Victoria
Reply #7 of 15 posted 24 MAY 05 by anonymous-18579
Celia, I forgot to tell you that the yellow rugosas have a reputation for not being as disease resistant as the red, pink or purple varieties. I have a pavement rugosa that does get some rust, but that does not prevent it from blooming or developing new, disease-free foliage. As a matter of fat, rugosas hate being sprayed with any kind of chemical, and the leaves will be damaged if they are sprayed. They are tough enough to shake off anything but human abuse. I hope this helps. If you do decide on a rose, you may wish to log onto helpmefind,com or for more information about individual varieties. I am also container-growing Henry Hudson-disease free. Sincerely, Victoria
Reply #9 of 15 posted 6 JUN 05 by anonymous-18579
Celia, this is a third try at getting a rugosa list to you. I may have to do this in several postings. I am going to give you several websites, and you can read the characteristics of each rugosa and see what sounds right for your garden. Look up; (this is the Antique Rose Emporium);; These nurseries sell own-root rugosas of every color and size. Wayside Gardens and White Flower Farm also have rugosas, but they may be grafted. I don't recommend them if you live in a cold climate. Ralph Moore, the "miniature rose king," has just hybridized and introduced the first striped rugosa,"Moore's Striped Rugosa." The site is This rose grows to about three feet. If you want roses for a warm climate, always go with the hybrids. The species rugosas prefer cooler climates. The "Pavement" series of rugosas are for smaller gardens. Arena Roses is selling a floribunda for the coast: "Preference." It is in their catalog. Some of the Agricultural Canada roses are also disease resistant. A good groundcover is Charles Albanel. You may also want to try "The Fairy." It is a polyantha, but it is very disease resistant and extremely rugged. It will bloom in almost near-shade in very warm or hot conditions. The websites that I have given you have separate listings for rugosas. I hope this helps. Victoria. PS_Rugosas have thorns like nails. The larger roses make good barrier plantings. The smaller ones can be grown in containers.
Reply #10 of 15 posted 6 JUN 05 by anonymous-18579
Recommended larger rugosas: Topaz Jewel (yellow)

Sarah Van Fleet
Fru Dagmar Hastrup (also Hartopp)
Blanc Double de Coubert
Linda Campbell
Jens Munk: many rugosas have beautiful hips that can be made into jelly, tea or left on the bush for birds. I like to eat them raw, sweet and crunchy.--high in vit c.
David Thompson
Martin Frobisher
Smaller: Pavement series
Foxi Pavement
Pink, Purple, Pierette, Showy, White, Pristine Pavement
Henry Hudson
Rotes Meer
Reply #11 of 15 posted 5 APR 10 by York Rose
Do please be aware that if you live in coastal New England Rosa rugosa, while beautiful in the garden, can become invasive (which is why it's so prevalent along some of the beaches).

Furthermore, while it's a terrific landscaping flowering shrub (truly!), if you plan to cut your roses to bring indoors and enjoy in vases, Rosa rugosa and its various color iterations (such as Rosa rugosa alba, a magnificent white rose that is brilliant white without a hint of any other color, a rarity in white roses) has almost no vase life at all. In the vase the flowers can shatter within hours.

(That may not be true of the rugosa hybrids with other species. I am not familiar with their vase lives.)
Reply #12 of 15 posted 9 JUN 10 by timdufelmeier
Why would any self respecting hmf member even want to live in a world without HYBRID TEAS? What a dreadful concept!
Rugosas are devine but I WANT AND NEED MY HYBRID TEAS. I live in a little coastal town called Los Angeles, California and I have never even considered using sprays on my 400 roses neither do my rosemaniac friends.

Until rugosas grow
Only hybrid teas can
Fill the bill
Reply #13 of 15 posted 2 JAN 13 by goncmg
Your comme made me laugh, I love it, I feel the same way. Not a rose in existence that I don't love but love Hybrid Teas.....
Reply #14 of 15 posted 10 FEB 20 by mamabotanica
Totally agree (also live in So Cal - out Pasadena way) and I love my hybrid teas! Got rid of my rugosas because I didn't need a rose to take over the garden.
Reply #15 of 15 posted 23 OCT 22 by cooleyedbabe
I too can't imagine a life without HTs! I lived at the beach for 8 years, on the Pierpont Bay lanes, Ventura, CA, about 800 ft. from the bay. I "doctored" the soil (if you can call sand "soil") with cal-pro and earthworms. I found that earthworms literally converted the sand into soil. I bought a lot of earthworms to do that. I had Stainless Steel, Blue Girl, Pope John Paul II, Black Baccara, Speelwark, Gold Medal and 4 other various colors but can't remember their names. The only one to get any disease was BB, who got mildew. No insect problems. I sprayed BB every 3 months with the bicarb solution which controlled it. I used natural fertilizers, e.g. alfalfa pellets, cottonseed meal, etc.
Moved back to Portland in 2013 with acidic soil, e.g. 4 to 4.5 ph. Have had nothing but problems with blackspot, mildew (not as much) and canker. Rose expert advised that soil ph is the problem. Rose defenses decline if soil is not near neutral as they can't absorb nutrients in the soil. Very excited to see the results next Spring.
Because we have soooo much rain here, I also have an ongoing battle with moles. They have decimated my Portland earthworm population. But now I am armed and dangerous...caught one this week.
most recent 24 SEP 22 SHOW ALL
Initial post 9 FEB 12 by Jerome Molokie
Having grown this rose for only 11 months now, I am very pleased with it. It has beautiful growth habit, lots of foliage (the description says "medium green" but to my eye it's darker, with bronze new growth and stems that stay a mahogany color - most attractive) and bushy habit. It does send out some longer shoots, but where I have it planted it is not an "octopus". Its flowers are very fragrant and produced with regularity. After the experience of these past 11 months - I liked Young Lycidas so much that I ordered more bare root plants to put in this season as well. A very nice rose.
Reply #1 of 6 posted 17 AUG 17 by mamabotanica
Still doing well? I bought a Barbara Streisand own root hybrid tea for the lovely purple color and fragrance but in the photos on here some look more silvery than I like. Wondering if I should gift it to someone and plant Young Lycidas in that spot (Bright morning and afternoon sun but full shade from about 2 pm onward in my warm zone 10 Pasadena garden.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 17 AUG 17 by StrawChicago Alkaline clay 5a
Barbra Streisand as own-root gives me a hard-time in hot & dry weather. The color is dull-gray-purple. Leaves fried in full-sun at mid 80 F. So I moved Barbra to 4 hours of morning sun .. bloomed well with tons of acidic rain & flash flood. Then we got into hot & dry and I watered with my alkaline-tap water for only 4 days, and Barbra immediately broke out in blackspot (so wimpy as own-root). In contrast, folks report about Young Lycidas: 1) good for the vase 2) can take full-sun 3) leaves are similar to Sharifa Asma, and Sharifa Asma behaves well in hot & dry as own-root for me.
Reply #3 of 6 posted 23 AUG 17 by Jerome Molokie's still plugging along. Great rose
Reply #4 of 6 posted 17 FEB 18 by mamabotanica
How big is it in your garden? I have a small spot that I could fit a smallish rose in (3x3 ideally but 4x4 could work) and I know that Austins are notorious for growing to gargantuan proportions in Southern California. Does she stay petite or perhaps pruning to keep her under control?
Reply #5 of 6 posted 20 FEB 18 by Jerome Molokie
I'd say it would be easily maintainable at 4 x 4 or even smaller. At least that's been the experience here at the abbey.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 24 SEP 22 by Anita silicon valley
In Zone 10 in Santa Clara Valley my Young Lycidas is 4 feet high and 5 feet wide with water restrictions.
most recent 23 MAY 22 SHOW ALL
Initial post 10 JUN 11 by donna
I LOVE THIS ROSE! I bought it on a whim from Heirloom Roses, just to see what it was like-- as I could not fine much information on it. Absolutely lovely, sweet rose shape. But the fragrance was a surprise. It is unlike any I have ever smelled. Spicy, but so multilayered that it was like a bouquet of other flowers mixed in. Amazing. I have many roses, but none with this fragrance. It grows well, no signs of disease yet, and I always have my visitors smell the rose. I believe that this is a rose developed by Heirloom Roses for all of the qualities it posesses. If that is true, they have an excellent specimen here.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 23 SEP 17 by mamabotanica
Any info on vase life?
Reply #3 of 3 posted 23 MAY 22 by lilbeastpdx (Portland, Oregon)
Several days in a vase. Fragrance lingers the entire time. It's a terrific rose.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 24 SEP 17 by Lavenderlace
Thanks so much for the review! I was curious about this one too. Do you mind me asking what kind of soil that you have and what zone that you are in? Thanks!
most recent 9 DEC 21 SHOW ALL
Initial post 18 JAN 18 by mamabotanica
Anyone know who sells this in the US? Or how it might perform in zone 10b (So Cal)?
Reply #1 of 1 posted 9 DEC 21 by AaronSteppe
Northland Rosarium has limited quantities. I was intrigued!
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