Does anyone try to grow roses in serious shade? Not dappled shade or partial shade, but full shade. Not California shade, but further north where the sun is not so strong. My difficult area is against a north fence in SE England. It gets 3-4 hours of morning sun at the peak of summer, but most of the time it is less and quite early, so not strong sun.

I am not interested in once-bloomers or rugosas. The fence is not suitable for climbers, so the ones recommended for a north wall won't work unless they can be grown as a shrub or on an obelisk (which most roses for north walls can not, as they are usually rampant).

So far I have doing well here Jacqueline du Pre, Ness, Joie de Vivre, Blue for You, Mutabilis, and Bonica. These are all nice bushy plants with plenty of flowers.

Elmshorn grows but only has leaves and flowers near the top of the fence, so I don't count it a success. This has put me off trying other hybrid musks.

Abraham Darby and Iceberg manage a few flowers but not enough, and they are very sparse, leggy plants, so I am going to move them. Rhapsody in Blue and Chandos Beauty were similar when I tried them. These roses are all recommended for shade, but they do not cope well with this amount of shade

Aloha and Eden look promising, but they are only in their first year, so can't say yet.

Before you tell me it is foolish to attempt roses in this location, I do also have more sensible shade plants against this fence like hydrangeas and anemones, but there's nothing like roses for constant color (plus scent if you are lucky). And I am struggling to find any more space for roses in the sunnier parts of my garden.

I'd love to hear if anyone has had success with roses in this kind of shady location.

I have seen this rose sometimes described as shade tolerant. In my experience (in SE England) it does not like a full day of bright, dappled shade, but can manage if it gets a few hours of good direct sun-- I think you'd want 4 hours near midday for decent performance. If too shady, it does not form a bushy shrub, but a leggy octopus that needs support, but it does still produce some beautiful flowers (just not as many as one would like).

How tall does your Penny Lane grow? I see mixed height estimates from 3 to 5.5 meters. I'm hoping for the taller end of that range (in SE England).