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Lee H. 
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You know, this is odd, but I like the petal shape. It has nice color too.
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8 days ago by
Lee H.
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Just looking at that parentage gives me a headache.
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16 NOV 16 by
JM3
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This is no longer for sale in the US, buy I'm willing to pay for a cutting. Does it perform reasonably on its own roots?
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Sometimes sold on Etsy for way overprice.
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3 DEC by
Lee H.
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I’m beginning to believe that one can make a tidy side hustle with discontinued Austin roses. Same story with Jude the Obscure.
It’s only overpriced if you can’t find willing buyers…
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They seem to be quite the status symbol in some quarters. I wonder if the DA company will not live to regret its' aggressive culling policy.
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lol, I hope you live long enough to see that! They have been culling better roses for poorer roses since their early days, sometimes just to replace a pink rose on the market without patent protection with one that did get patented.
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Ding ding ding. Watch what Star does now that the KO patents will start to wane.
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just for the record and a bit off-topic, can you recommend good older DA cultivars that are worth to grow?
I kinda like their older ones anyway, Summer Song was quite new but stopped - one of my favourites still.
i really don't have a problem with it as long as it's treated like a HT or floribunda, harder pruning etc
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I'm not a DA expert.
For health and abundance, Jude the Obscure is amazing. But she is a BIG plant.
For size and repeat, Jubilee Celebration. Big blooms on normal-size plant, in a nice color.
For classic look, small stature, and health: Geoff Hamilton. But it has low summer repeat. Large Spring/summer flushes, but it is not much for summer bloom.
Most DA are kinda garbo here, because they're big blooms on big plants, prone to being drug into the ground by their own devices + rain.
A good non-DA alternative is Distant Drums, which is bred from a DA. Prairie Sunrise has DA type blooms on a floribunda plant. Some newer alternatives. I am currently testing out the French versions of DA. One called Allegorie and another called Esprit de Paris. I am hoping they are MUCH smaller plants, but with good repeat.
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Oh thanks, i'm definitely gonna check them out! :)
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8 days ago by
Nastarana
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In the USA, we have found the DA cultivars to be quite climate specific. If you could give us some idea of what your particular climate in Hungary is like, we might have some ideas. That said, you probably could not go wrong with the now venerable 'Mary Rose', not maybe the most dramatic of roses, but among the most dependable. 'Fair Bianca', remember her, is a charming rose on a weak plant. I was fond of 'Symphony', now I believe being called 'Allux Symphony' and 'English Garden', both having modest growth habit, strong stems and good rapid bloom of large, flat many petalled flowers. AS is a nice soft yellow color while EG has a more goldy bronze color and grows about a foot taller than AS.
I think 'Evelyn' is one of the most beautiful of all roses, but is very much a desert rose, which will flourish wherever SDLM can be grown.
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Thank you for the input! Well we're mostly zone7, colder winters than most of the UK (although this winter was mild again, the lowest in my garden was 14F and for a few days only) and hotter summers with drought sometimes with highs between cc 80-107F. Roses Like the weather because of the sun and it's arid, but better to water them weekly if no sufficient rain for a while.
(Austins are very popular here although i never really liked them apart from some personal favourite like Abraham Darby, Othello, i also have the Pilgrim, Judi Dench and Summer Song - the latter 2 are very good performers through the whole summer)
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3 OCT 20 by
sam w
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This rose regularly turns up in the springtime stacks of bodybag roses at the local stores. I bought one once and, to my surprise, it thrived in spite of its inauspicious beginnings. The next year I had the same experience and after a year off I bought a third one this way and it also prospers.
All of which leads me to say that while 90% of the roses sold in those awful little plastic bags full of wet bark don't do very well, this instead is one of the handful that is actually worth the gamble.
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It helps to remove the garbage filler they put in those bags. Sometimes they will cause a fungal infection in the root zone. Such as dry rot.
Always inspect the roots and nip off any decay or where they are broken so those body bag roses have a fighting chance.
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If you want a good Red Masterpiece you can get a bareroot #1 grade from Regan Nursery. I have one and it's thriving. Very underrated rose in that it is rated 6.9 in ARS Handbook. It's much better than that in my garden (Zone 5b, Chicago area). Hardy through two winters now.
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ARS ratings before 2000 are really ... suspect... because most of it was through the eyes of exhibitors. For sniffy reds, I prefer Firefighter and Claret. I think Red Masterpiece was a good improvement on resolving some of Chrysler Imperial's issues and creating a decent red sniffer for the garden.
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I have had trouble getting an own root Chrysler Imperial to grow. So trying one grafted on Dr. Huey this year.
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12 days ago by
Lee H.
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Madactuary, I also have an own root C.I. that did poorly, until I moved it from a spot getting maybe 8 hours of sun, to one that is sunny from dawn until dusk. That made all the difference.
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That's great to hear Lee. But I don't have a spot for dawn until dusk. But where my own root CI is, gets plenty of sunshine - plus plants surrounding it have been thriving. I'll bet my new budded Chrysler Imperial (to be planted adjacent to the existing CI) will grow circles around the own root plant. And although I complain about the own root plant, it has been doing better each growing season. Maybe 2024 is the year it will leap!
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Beautiful!
I'm surprised this one isn't more common and popular.
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16 APR by
Lee H.
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Perhaps a climbing rose has a smaller consumer market?
Also, based on parentage, I am somewhat doubtful of 2b hardiness, but perhaps there is some rugosa hiding in there.
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16 APR by
jedmar
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2b was incorrect, modified it to 5b as per the reference.
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