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In my nursery 'Snow Pavement' often shows a subtle shading of the white flowers with lavender. Its so subtle that I would doubt my eyes except that so many customers have commented on it. Andrew Van Cleve of Azalea House Flowering Shrub Farm
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We had a Snow Pavement in a previous garden that had a definite pale lilac blush. It was much taller than listed - easily 5 feet tall.
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6 AUG 22 by
Montana
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What zone were you in (and state) and how much sun? I have 3, will need to move one and now nervous they will get too big for spots. Thanks
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Just picked my first bloom today -- pale lavender and intense delicious fragrance. SP is a 4 yo in full sun and blooms will fade to a white in a day or so, altho occasionally it will retain a pinkish cast to the blooms if the weather remains cool. It is a densely branching 3 x 4.
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'Pavement' is a misnomer. This gets huge. It would be a good choice for a dense, thorny hedge, where that might be needed. If you are in a climate too cold for Mermaid, try this one. Flower color and fragrance are as described above.
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25 FEB 04 by
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Is this rose prone to suckering or growing out of bounds? I want a large climber for my fence to spread out, but I don't want it to get out of control. Thanks for your help!
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13 MAY 03 by
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I hve New Dawn, and haven't had any problems with suckering, at all. It is probably about 6 yrs. old or so - I'm not sure. I have it growing on an arbor, and last year it was gorgeous! Paula
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In time your 'New Dawn' may get larger and spread out depending on local conditions, light, water and fertilizer. Wichuranna Roses are often ramblers. Dr W Van Fleet that New Dawn is a sport of has been grown to 30 feet tall and 45 feet wide. Though I think that was in South Africa. New Dawn has been seen 8 feet tall and 25 feet wide in Albany, NY zone 5.
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Growing out of bounds? Yes, though it can be pruned. As for suckering, that is about the rootstock, and New Dawn is so vigorous on its own, there is no reason to ever need to plant it grafted onto a rootstock. If yours is, try burying the bud union slightly under the soil level; in a couple years' time the plant will hopefully have sent down native New Dawn roots from those buried lower canes.
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Hello Mike,
Just out of interest how well does your 'New Dawn' have a second flush?
Regards, Andrew.
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Horticulturally we recognize that all roses evolved where flowers sported or descended from single to semi-double to double flowered varieties. So we know that Rosa centifolia is descended from a single flowered variety even though that ancestor is extinct. In a similar fashion we must know when presented with two roses; alba semi-plena and alba maxima that maxima must be a sport of semi-plena especially when both roses sport the other regularly. So why does HMF show semi-plena as a sport of maxima and not the other way around as well? My contention is that they are both sports of each other.
Which came first? The chicken or the egg.
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25 AUG 10 by
 jedmar
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The parentages are based on the cited references from rose literature. These show semi-plena as a sport of Maxima. But you are right, both roses have been around such a long time (see reference if 1629) that we do not know which is the original type.
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Thank you for replying. I think its important to note when rose literature conflicts with other possible sources like horticultural science. Hundreds of years ago roses that were considered inferior were expunged everywhere which no doubt resulted in the extinction of many varieties such as the original five petaled Rosa centifolia. The literature could have been changed as well. We'll just have to wait and see if DNA analysis can determine which came first. Not that it matters except from an purely intellectual perspective.
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Yes, I keep wishing we could do DNA analysis on such-and-such a rose, and then I remember that a third of the world doesn't have clean drinking water, and HMF lists 80,000-odd rose cultivars.
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Much of the world could have clean drinking water except that so many governments of the world don't seem to consider it important. Rose DNA analysis I think will take a whole lot less time. Damning isn't it? I was investing in a company that planned to provide clean drinking water to countries in need all over the world but it failed due to the recession. DNA analysis of 80,000 cultivars of rose though, I believe there would be much less resistance to funding that.
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23 MAR 18 by
AquaEyes
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This is admittedly very late, but I must say that it is certainly not unheard of for a seed-borne double-flowered rose to sport into a semi-double form. The most obvious which comes to mind is 'Souvenir de la Malmaison' sporting to 'Souvenir de St. Anne's'. So while I understand the reasoning that single is the default over double with regards to wild species, the same is not necessarily the case with cultivated varieties.
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~Christopher
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25 FEB 04 by
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What type of Soil it ( Gold Medal Rose)needs, how many hours of sun, direct or indirect, how offten should be wotered, is OK to use the spray prevent parasites for that rose?.
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25 FEB 04 by
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I have Gold Medal in the same soil as my other roses (Lorraine Lee, Iceberg, Double Delight and Maria Callas) which followed what the rose books all say, particularly mulch and fertilser with a good quality soil and some potting mix for roses added together as the base. They all get full morning sun for a min of 5-6 hrs in winter and more in summer. I have not sprayed Gold Medal, but use the method of applying either fish emulsion or seaweed fertilizer sprayed over all the rose, and pick off any leaf that has black spot by hand. Works OK.
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I planted my Gold Medal in heavy clay (well known to Georgia, USA gardeners) and it has been flowering abundantly since April and is still full of flowers at the moment (September). There has not been a single week that there has not been at least one rose on the bush, and it normally has at least 10 or more roses at a time. I created a new flower bed in winter where I used to have lawn, by mulching the area heavily about 4 months before planting my roses. I did not till or amend the soil at all. Then in MarchI planted the roses right in the clay. They get about 8 hours of sun and I fertilize regularly with a mixture of bone meal, blood meal, cottonseed meal and Epsom Salt. From my experience I would say this rose is remarkable for doing very well in poor soil, and I'm just a novice gardener. My tree Peace rose is doing just as well with the same conditions. I have not noticed aphids or other pests on Gold Medal but have had a bit of trouble with black spot. I water only about every second week if it does not rain.
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Thank you, I also have heavy alkaline clay.
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I propagate, grow and sell many varieties of plants to lanscapers and Garden Centers around Albany, NY, I also sell roses for Yonder Farms in Albany, NY. Gold Medal is one of the roses we sell. In spring we fertilize with a broad spectrum granular fertilizer followed at two week intervals by a dose of liquid fertilizer. It has been determined that after two weeks the fertilizer is washed from the soil and must be replaced. At Yonder Garden we do one of two things when we are preparing to plant an area.
#1) Sometimes we have an extremely hard and poor soil to deal with. We use compost and mulch aplied to the surface to a depth at least a foot (often this is done in fall). The following spring when we dig the once hard soil is much easier to work. We plant the rose in a volcano of soil within the mulch. We regularly fertilize the mulch which decomposes through the actions of worms (who are tilling it into the hardpan dirt below), fungi (who with myrchorizae can provide nutrients to the roses in a symbiotic relationship) and bacterial (composting). After several years in which we have to recover the volcano of soil each year as it gradually apears above the mulch line, The plant will have sunk down into its new location (the old hardpan surface).
#2) The other alternative is to till into the soil compost, manure and raw amendments (for bacteria). The important thing is to remember to amend beds not holes. I like to amend beds that are several feet deep by 10 or 15 feet wide. If you have grown tomatoes you already no how to do this. We allow at least 4 weeks for nutrient stabilization but the best is to amend in fall and plant in spring.
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