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Does anybody know anything about this rose? Thanks.
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#1 of 5 posted
6 OCT 05 by
Veiti
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It is very common here in Europe. It looks beautiful, blooms all season and needs no pruning. Its vigorous growth can be limited by use of the hedge trimmer. She (a rose must be a female!) does not like high temperature though.
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Oh my no, if a rose is named after a man, it is just certainly not going to be a "she".
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It the white sport of Pink Grootendoorst, and has Dianthus (carnation) like petals. The blooms are very double in large clusters. It doesn't form hips like most rugosas.
I think it smells great and is a good repeater.
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Interesting! I've had the original sports' parent, F.J. Grootendorst and Pink Grootendorst. I find them to have virtually no scent. There'd be an awfully lot of angry customers if a nursery sold these roses as "strongly scented". (Heehee) Even 'Peace' is more strongly scented to me than any of the Grootendorsts, although I do find Fimbriata (the better fringed rugosa) sweetly scented.
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Bred by Pierre GUILLOT and dedicated to his son, Marc (Marco is a nickname)
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#1 of 2 posted
24 JUN 09 by
Veiti
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Guilllot, however, says on "Marco":
"Marco (H 3 - NR)
(P. Guillot -1905)
Cuivré et jaune orangé - pylône, treillage, pergola - H 3 - NR
Est-ce un hommage au fameux explorateur… ? Non, il s’agit d’un rosier dédié par Pierre Guillot à son fils Marc. Ce rosier part pourtant à l’aventure jusqu’à trois mètres de hauteur, essaimant ses petites fleurs en bouquets cuivrés et jaune orangé, teinte vraiment nouvelle pour l’époque.
Hybridre de Wichuraiana"
The result is "Marco" to be a yellow-orange blend with buff. HMF states "white".
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#2 of 2 posted
2 OCT 14 by
 Cà Berta
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Also in the 1936 italian reference, no sign of white in the description.
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Available from - Daniel Schmitz; Belgien; Malmedy
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24 JUN 09 by
jedmar
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Prospero, did you buy 'Sheelagh Baird' there? Daniel Schmitz' website says "non disponible à la vente" for this rose.
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#2 of 2 posted
24 JUN 09 by
Veiti
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Sometimes they forget to update their website. Currently there are at least three roses.
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lol, it seems I was not the only one trying to figure out this mystery-I just saw your note about the misidentification in Europe, jedmar.
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#1 of 9 posted
23 JUN 09 by
jedmar
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Actually, it was your post which got me to look at 'Bouquet de Venus' closer and make a couple of inquiries. Loubert seems to be the origin of the semi-double which is now marked (in commerce), while the L'Hay rose, although is probably also mislabeled. I suppose someone "identified" it. I am very suspicious of these identifications if you cannot find a history of references over decades. This one was clearly only mentioned by Redouté (no picture, alas) and then in again in the 20th century!
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#2 of 9 posted
23 JUN 09 by
Allison
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I'm glad you clarified the Redoute print--or lack of one, I have been pulling my hair out--It seemed certain to me that he had done a plate of this rose from reading the references, and I've been staring at my large "Complete Collection" of plates trying to find it, haha. I was starting to think I had been ripped off. Though I do know he did 60 additional rose portraits after Les Roses--at the end of his life I don't have--I've been trying to find a nice printed collection of them somewhere. I was at least going to scan the print in for reference here.
I think the Roserie is mentioned as the original source for the Vintage Gardens rose, so even if this rose is misidentified, we can feel like we have pinned down the 'official' version. I'd love to know where AmiRoses took her photo, so we knew which we were seeing.
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On a tangent; I'm curious to know if the attached picture (scanned from a postcard) is in your Complete Redoute. It's labelled just "Weeping Rose". What I think may be the original is in the historic house called Carrick Hill, near Adelaide.
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23 JUN 09 by
Allison
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Hi Margaret, to answer your question, I only (so far) have the complete Les Roses plates, this is most likely from one of the later works, 'Choix des plus belles fleurs' (Selections of the most beautiful flowers--144 illustrations) or 'Choix de soixante roses dediees a la reine des Belges' (Selections of 60 roses dedicated to the Queen of Belguim). Thanks for the link, Jedmar--it will be very helpful for me to search for a particular plate so much more quickly!
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#4 of 9 posted
23 JUN 09 by
jedmar
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You can see all of Redouté's rose pictures on this site:
http://www.apictureofroses.com/
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#7 of 9 posted
24 JUN 09 by
Veiti
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Daniel Schmitz, Belgium, carries the rose. As far as I remember - it was only yesterday, lol - the bloom was full.
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#8 of 9 posted
24 JUN 09 by
jedmar
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It did not hop into your basket, perchance?
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#9 of 9 posted
24 JUN 09 by
Veiti
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Unfortunately, the boot of the car was already full up. I will think of it next time.
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