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"Trinity", Tea, should be classified as Bermuda Mystery Rose, not a Bermuda Rose. It is what is called a Found Rose in the USA.
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I'm not sure I understand about this one, "Trinity (Tea, Bermuda Rose)" is already classified as a found rose on HMF - note both the found rose designation and the name is enclosed in double quotes. We do not have a class called Bermuda Mystery Rose, rather we use the combination Bermuda Rose and Found Rose to indicate such. Do you see this as a problem - we would be interested in your opinion.
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The O.P. (sadly now deceased) was Liesbeth Cooper, the rosarian from Bermuda who studied, preserved and helped establish this 'class' of roses. If she thought the class should be called Bermuda Mystery Roses instaed of simply Bermuda Roses, her opinion should have some weight.
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I believe the class of Bermuda Rose should be deleted altogether from the selection of Old Garden Roses. In this case to leave just the two classes of Found Rose, and Tea.
In Australia, the foundlings are not classed as Australian Rose; nor in England as English Rose, etc.
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I can't tell you how often I've searched for roses using that classification. And now I can't.
Having a "class" for found roses for a large country like Australia or the U.S. doesn't make sense, because there are so many different climates, and so many different foundlings of different types.
Bermuda, however, is a small island and if I want to search for a tough rose that is tolerant of heat and humidity, these roses are pretty much guaranteed to do well in my growing conditions.
I would really love to be able to search for found roses by country or climate.
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#5 of 8 posted
2 days ago by
 Lee H.
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I rather agree. Peter Beales dedicated a bit of space to them in Classic Roses, and they are detailed in that book as a class under Chinensis by the President of the Bermuda Rose Society, Lorna Mercer.
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There is no doubt in my mind that Bermuda Rose is not a Class of Old Garden Roses - despite being offered as a Class by HelpMeFind.
Old Garden Roses:
Agatha/Agathe
Alba
Ayrshire
Bermuda Rose
Bourbon
Bourbon, Cl.
Boursault
Centifolia
The Classes of roses grown in Bermuda are teas, chinas, hybrid perpetual, rambler, noisettes, etc. and found roses.
If a list of roses grown in that country is required, then I suggest adding synonyms of "Bermuda whatever" to the few that lack that prefaced name.
You can certainly search for found roses by country or climate:
Use Advanced Search, select Found Rose, and under Origin, select country.
Also using Advanced Search, under Growing, one can search using the hot climate Zones.
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You wrote: "If a list of roses grown in that country is required, then I suggest adding synonyms of "Bermuda whatever" to the few that lack that prefaced name."
Adding "Bermuda whatever" to the names of the roses that don't already have it is gonna be tricky unless we already know which roses need these synonyms. Before you deleted all the roses from this category, did you check to be sure they all had 'Bermuda' somewhere in the name?
Did you check with whoever added this category to HMF in the first place? Somebody went to some trouble to add the category to HMF, and then to add the relevant roses.
FYI, I just did a search for found roses with Bermuda as the country of origin, and the search returned five roses. When I searched for found roses in India, I got one hit.
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#8 of 8 posted
yesterday by
jedmar
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I disagree with this one-sided deletion. "Bermuda Rose" might not be a class as defined by ARS, but it is a well-known term within the World Federation of Rose Societies since at least 1987, and supported by several publications and articles. From the Foreword of "Roses in Bermuda Revisited": ... our many "Mysteries", some of which have been accorded the ultimate accolade of simply being known as 'Bermuda' roses.
Bermuda's special climate has preserved many long-lost Teas and Chinas. It is of interest to researchers to have these specifically mentioned. The reference that there is no class of Australian or English found roses is not relevant, as those terms are already captured by Ausbred roses and English roses (by Austin).
Such a move should have been the result of a proper discussion, taking into account of the opinions of members from the Conservation & Heritage community, especially from Bermuda.
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I thought I’d post a summary of my experience with this variety. Bought direct from Meilland in a pot and planted in a well exposed SE part of the gardens near a warm dry stone wall. So far, so good. Gets an ample amount of sunlight and some dried sheep manure now and again. It grew a little, up to 3ft, then produced two beautiful peony-looking frilly-edged flowers. Then the leaves started to show signs of marsonia and defoliated. This second year I lightly pruned in the spring as there was no more growth and expected the plant to react positively. Alas, no. The new foliage has turned almost black, and the stems haven’t grown. In April I planted a cutting of Ghislaine de Féligonde 3ft to the side of this one and it is, after two months, already taller. There are many different varieties growing very well here, both modern and old, the majority thrive, but this variety, along with 5 of the 7 Meilland varieties planted here, just won’t grow. Today it was shovel pruned, and the other 4 Meilland’s will also be taken out this week.
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Fragrance is indeed "very fragrant", so not false hopes. I tested it for the second time today to report back, for both high and moderate temp days. The type of fragrance was middle of the road type of rose fragrance. Sorry I could not be more specific.
Coloration is not quite as ethereal as Secret. Similar, but a little bit harder in tone.
Form is nice, and foliage seems decent. Growth seems to be straight up, like Lynn Anderson, but not grotesque and massive.
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The parentage is winding over on itself.
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Can you be more specific please ?
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#2 of 3 posted
2 days ago by
jedmar
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The parentages stated cannot be correct: Kate Chillingworth = Lady Adrianna x seedling of Rotilia, whereby Lady Adrianna = Kate Chillingworth x Rosita. Results in a vicious circle.
Member Cambridgelad must have misunderstood Colin Dickson. We will check with Mr. Dickson.
Edit: Parentage for Lady Adrianna corrected
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Yeah. Now it makes sense.
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