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Discussion id : 13-115 most recent 7 MAY 07 HIDE POSTS

Initial post 7 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Hello.I'ts me again, with another unknown rose. I think I planted a small cutting a couple of years ago and this is the result. It's a lovely ivory colour with pale yellow buds and doesn't have much of a scent and they hang down. I wondered whether it was "Iceberg" but I think she's whiter than this.Hope you enjoy seeing her whether or not you know her name. Bye, Penny.	REPLY

Reply #1 of 22 posted 8 JUL 06 by Wendy C

It could be Iceberg. Your blooms appear to have some water, thrip or some other damage. The damage will cause a white rose to appear more ivory. How does this one grow? Is it spreading on slender canes? Iceberg is spreading, free flowering and when small has slender canes.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 22 posted 10 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Hello and thanks for your help.. We had a fall of heavy rain over two days and the roses were affected. They've also all got, or had, blackspot - it's been rife this year. I've got "something" munching on leaves, too, there are big swathes eaten out of another rose's leaves. There aren't many canes yet but what there are are quite slim. I photographed it this morning and it shows the beautiful peach colour inside. I've attached a photo in which you can see canes. I though "Iceberg" was much whiter than this rose but I'm sure there are variations, as you suggest. Bye,Penny.

Reply #2 of 22 posted 9 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi Penny, did you decide if it is Iceberg? or ?? I have a Mystery rose posted too that I have no idea what it is, but it is beautiful. every single blossom is different. Yours looks like Iceberg, yet it doesn't quite look like Iceberg? well yours is pretty whatever it is!!!!! Jody	REPLY

Reply #4 of 22 posted 10 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Hello Jody.Hope you and your roses are well. :) It's fun, but frustrating, to have unknown roses. Not sure yet what the rose is. I've just posted another photo. The "Iceberg" I see at the garden centre where I clean the cafe on a Saturday evening, and help out with watering when needed, is much whiter. I'll probably never know but it is a pretty rose, and as it came from a cutting I took from a garden, is a "freebie". Bye, Penny.

Reply #5 of 22 posted 10 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi Penny, how are you? Yes having a mystery rose can be fun (and frustrating) I have bought most of my roses from clearance sales, garden club grab bags, and Church sales. and in most cases the people didn't know what they were. I have been very lucky to get quality, beautiful, healthy (if mystery) roses. The only roses not well right now are ones I bought from a Nursery where I paid full price, a Midnight Blue and a Rugelda. The Midnight Blue wilted in our recent heat wave and the Rugelda has never thrived even with TLC. I even tried Messenger on it. So anyway, I look at the mystery part of it as fun. Only one of my dollar roses didn't make it and my Apothecary Rose I only paid $1.00 so I feel lucky. Your free rose is really pretty whatever it is.!!! Jody

Reply #6 of 22 posted 17 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Excellent, Jody. I suppose the "give-away" freebies must be hardy in the first instance to survive without much care, whereas "proper" bought roses are rather refined! :)Your "Midnight Blue" sounds interesting, even though it decided to give up, and "Regelda". I don't know either of them and will look them up.Bye,Penny.	REPLY

Reply #8 of 22 posted 17 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi Penny, how are all your roses doing???? My Midnight Blue is actually coming back and looking much better but we are getting hit with another heat wave, so I have it protected from the hot aft sun with an old beach umbrella. It does better with only getting morning sun, so I may move it this Fall.The Rugelda, I have about given up on it. but will give it til next Spring and see what it does. I think some plants just don't thrive no matter what. Right now I am interested in a climber called Hamburger Phoenix, (odd name isn't it.) a beautiful red climber to plant to climb up an apple tree. just daydreaming. Getting good roses from these sales is really luck but I don't buy them from stores , only Church and garden club sales and so far, so good. This last weekend, I got a pot of Rosa Rugosa for $5 at a Church sale and there were 3 starts in it. so we will see how they do. Check out Hamburger Phoenix and also www.oldladyofoldroses.ca. You have prob run across her on this site and she has gorgeous roses and photos. Hope you and all your roses are doing well?!! Jody

Reply #10 of 22 posted 18 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Hello Jody.We are all, including the plants, sizzling. Thanks for asking. The temperature is 104 degrees Farenheit today, hot enough to fry an egg on the paving stones. I can't walk on them with bare feet! I'm having to watering the roses in tubs morning and evening, and sometimes in between. The ones planted against the trellis are being watered every few days as they're newly planted. I see they are putting out shoots. I think I could have chosen a more vigourous specimen of "Schoolgirl", there are better looking ones in the garden centre, but I'll see how she does. I'm helping at a local Garden Centre Fete in August, on the book stall. Hoping for some books on roses. Good idea of yours, to buy plants at those sorts of places. I hope there are some roses for sale. The dogs (four of them) are all feeling like "hot-dogs" and don't want to do much but sleep in this heat. I wish our normal wet weather would come back. I like the rain. :) I'm having to water the bonsai three, or more, times a day. Hope your climate is more temperate and that you're well. I'll go and take a look at "Hamburger Pheonix" (people from Hamburg are called Hamburgers, so that's probably something to do with the name). Sounds interesting. I didn't like red roses much to begin with, but they are growing on me (excuse the pun)!Bye.

Reply #11 of 22 posted 18 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi Penny, sorry it is so hot there. It is much cooler where I am (70) though it is supposed to be 90 by Sat. Most of the US is in a heat wave. My father- in- law lives in Phoenix, AZ and it's 115. he just doesn't go outside much. So is Schoolgirl not liking the heat or just not thriving or what?? you mention the roses in tubs. so you have alot of your roses in pots? Kim suggested I do that with the Rugelda, put it in a pot, feed it and try to get it to do better that way. So I think I am going to do that. I only have in pots a couple miniature roses and a baby Sitka rose (Rosa Rugosa) a friend in AK started from seed. But I think that's a good idea to pot it and leave it the pot for winter.I hope your Garden Fete turns out well. I am anxiously awaiting a book I ordered from Amazon for 1.99 . The Random House Book of Old Roses. I have their main book of Rose but this is old roses. re the Hamburger Phoenix, if you went to the site you know it says the name symbolizes Hamburg rising from the ashes of post war Germany. She has some gorgeous roses on that site. I also like Topaz Jewel. well nice chatting with you. I sure have learned alot from people on this site. I'd like to hear more about you keeping your roses in tubs and how they do. are these young roses or? and which ones? Hope it cools down for you and the roses... Jody

Reply #15 of 22 posted 19 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Hello Jody.I've two climbers in big tubs against trellis on the wall ouside the kitchen window and they do very well. Some labels on roses do state whether they are suitable for tubs. You are able to control their watering and feeding and give them extra care if needed. One of them is "Gloire d' Dijon", the other is the one we think is "Abraham Darby", which I grew from a cutting planted in a much smaller pot. They were put in the big tubs last year and this is the first year of them flowering.The six new climbers are in the ground, one being "Schoogirl". I think she's just a lesser-developed one than the others I saw at the Garden Centre, and will be all right once she's settled, though her label did say she likes full sun and she's in a position where it's shady around 2 p.m. each day. Next spring will tell whether she wants moving. :)What a lovely idea for the name of "Hamburger Pheonix". Your book sounds good. I'll certainly look up that site and "Topaz Jewel", thanks a lot. I like knowing about rose sites. It's still extremely hot and the plants are being watered morning and evening and sometimes in between. I'm about to go out and do a Rain-Dance!! The weather is supposed ot break over the next couple of days, but we will have to wait and see.Bye,Penny.

Reply #20 of 22 posted 21 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi Penny, we are sweltering here too, with 90 degree weather. very unusual for the Pacific Northwest. At least we have power. Some cities like New York are having black outs. Thanks for the info on your tub roses. I finally dug up the Rugelda and put in a tub in a different location. I have given it two years and as Lyn so aptly put it, then I could make more room in the "rose real estate". So now I will have fun next Spring choosing a new healthy plant. I will probably go with another Rugosa. Maybe that Topaz Jewel. I have mostly pink and would like to go with another color. Interestingly that Mystery Rose I have is still blooming like crazy and the buds have now changed to a deep red. Must be the heat I guess. I can spend all winter pouring over the site and books choosing which NEW rose to get.. such fun!!!! well I think I will go turn the hose on some plants and maybe myself too!!!! Take Care Jody

Reply #7 of 22 posted 17 JUL 06 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

Penny, have you ever taken cuttings from a Tea rose? Not a Hybrid Tea, but an old Tea? This sure looks as if it could be one. Kim	REPLY

Reply #9 of 22 posted 18 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Hello Kim.No, I've not done that. I'll give it a try. I've several pieces of climbers planted here and there to see whether they'll shoot. Thanks for the idea.Bye. :)	REPLY

Reply #12 of 22 posted 18 JUL 06 by Jody

I just noticed it wasn't Kim that said that, to pot the Rugelda , it was someone else but sounds like good advice. Jody	REPLY

Reply #13 of 22 posted 19 JUL 06 by Lulu

Hi Penny, Iceberg is the most planted rose in Australia so I am very familiar with it as I have several. I am sure that your rose is not iceberg. It is very beautiful though. As well as fine stems Iceberg has quite distinctive leaves of very light green. As I look through my rose books I will keep an eye out for a rose similar to yours, regards Lulu	REPLY

Reply #14 of 22 posted 19 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Thanks very much, Lulu.I do like "Iceberg". Is it grown so much in Australia because of its hardiness? There are specimens in the Garden Centre, even a climbing one, I believe, and it is much whiter than my "ivory" coloured rose. Hope we do come across one like,ome some time. The stems are patchy with lightish green and then reddish-green markings. It's not very thorny and there's a main bud with clusters of three buds slightly further down the stem and it's fairly compact, at present anyway.For interest, I bought a T-Shirt in a charity shop this morning, the one with a small clematis design had gone, with aboriginal art on it. I found the painting on the net as it's by J. W. Eastwood - "Balance of Nature". It makes a lovely design on a burgandy colour material. The T-Shirt was obviously bought in Australia and brought back here, and is most likely an unwanted, or wrong-sized, present. :)An on-line friend in British Columbia sent me a photo of their apricot-coloured rose and thinks it's New Dawn". She's going to find out for me. Here's the photo, for interest.Bye,Penny.

Reply #16 of 22 posted 19 JUL 06 by Jody

Hi Penny, that is a lovely rose but I don't think it's New Dawn. isn't that pink, or there is a red New Dawn. Great find on the T shirt!!!!!! Jody	REPLY

Reply #17 of 22 posted 19 JUL 06 by Meschuee

I agree, Jody. It's a lovely rose. Yes, I thought "New Dawn" was pink. I'm waiting to see if Carole knows it's name.:)I have Red New Dawn and it's a nice rose, the blooms are very long-lived.:)	REPLY

Reply #18 of 22 posted 20 JUL 06 by Lulu

Hi Penny,

I think Iceberg is so popular because it is so easy to grow and almost never without flowers. It makes a great show. I have climbing Iceberg in also but as it was young last year I haven't had many flowers on it yet, this year it should be good. Iceberg will also grow in a bit of shade so that is handy. It is a spreading open bush rather than compact as yours is. If you can get a cutting of it or the climber it is relatively easy to strike which is why I have a few.

My book describes New Dawn as a wichuraiana rambler of silver-pink with moderate fragrance so we will have to try again for your friends rose. regards Lulu

Reply #19 of 22 posted 21 JUL 06 by Meschuee

Thanks, Lulu. I'm still waiting to hear from Carole in British Columbia as to whether she can remember what the rose was. If she can, I'll let you all know.I mentioned to the Manager of the GardenCentre (where I clean and help with the watering) you saying that "Iceberg" is planted so widely in Australia and he says it's because it's so hardy and will grow anywhere. I must get one. I'd love a climbing "Iceberg" and there is one at the Centre that I hanker after each time I pass it. :DVery hot still - praying that the weather breaks soon.One of the ladies in the shop at the Garden Centre asked me to go out and choose a rose shrub to give to her mother, I took two in to show her and she chose the lovely "Natlie Nypels". It was covered in flowers.:)

Reply #21 of 22 posted 6 MAY 07 by edalweber

Looks like "Jacotte" to me.	REPLY

Reply #22 of 22 posted 7 MAY 07 by meschuee

Hello. Thanks very much for the suggested name. I'll take a look at that one. It's now 7th May, 2007, and the rose is coming into flower for the first time this year. I just love it. Bye, Penny.	REPLY