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Initial post 5 days ago by Yojimbo
The rose sold by High Country Roses in U.S. as Duchesse d'Orleans a.k.a. Lustre d'Eglise is not correctly identified. The rose they sell doesn't have the full and tightly petal packed blooms that it's supposed to have.
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Reply #1 of 5 posted 5 days ago by jedmar
Thank you! Do you have a photo of the misidentified rose?
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Reply #2 of 5 posted yesterday by Yojimbo
They recently posted a photo of Duchesse d'Orleans on their website. The photo appears to be from one of their own roses growing in a pot in their greenhouse. Previously it was listed on their site, but there was no photo provided. It's pretty clear that the rose is something else. It has fewer petals and an open center with exposed stamens. I had contacted them a couple months back inquiring about the rose because I was interested in purchasing it for next spring. Maybe that is why they finally posted a picture. I was skeptical it was actually the real Duchesse d'Orleans/ Lustre d'Eglise because I have never seen it available for sale anywhere else in the U.S. I decided not to buy the rose, but it could still be a quality rose, just unknown what it actually is.
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Reply #3 of 5 posted yesterday by jedmar
The photo of the gallica 'Duchesse d'Orléans' on the High Country Roses website is similar to what Loubert has for the HP 'Duchesse d'Orléans' by Quetier. These photos do not look like the engraving of the HP which we have from 1853, but more like Redouté's Rosa gallica Aureliaensis/Duchesse d'Orleans.
The photos of the full pink lighter edged rose are for 'Lustre d'Eglise', which is apparently sourced from Sangerhausen to Loubert.
The issue might be that there are two distinct Gallicas and that the synonyms got mixed up over time. The 'Duchesse d'Orléans' of Redouté/Thory has only 25-30 petals, while 'Lustre d'Eglise' is very full.
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Reply #4 of 5 posted today by Yojimbo
Thanks for the clarification. I knew there was a hybrid perpetual Duchesse d'Orleans. I thought they might have mixed up the two even though they list theirs as a gallica and having alternate names of Grande Pivoine and Pivoine des Hollandais (but not mentioning Lustre d'Eglise). Since the flower looked more HP like, I compared it to the photos on this site of the hybrid perpetual Duchesse d'Orleans but not to the rose at Loubert. The Loubert HP seems like a match and has the speckling of the petals as well.
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Reply #5 of 5 posted today by jedmar
Separated Redouté/Thory's 'Duchesse d'Orléans' as it is clearly a distinct rose and added the full reference.
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