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"Wood St. Buff Yellow" rose Reviews & Comments
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Might this rose be 'Mme. Hoste'?
I was just looking at the distinctly burgundy new growth on my 'Lady Hillingdon' thinking it must have come from its parent 'Mme Hoste' because its other parent 'Papa Gontier' isn't really distinguished by this feature, and I then remembered "Wood St. Buff Yellow" also has very similarly coloured new growth. One reservation is that 'Mme Hoste' is often described as nearly white, but it might be a possibility worth considering.
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I've had correspondence the last few days from Di Durston (a Tea Book author), who says that "Wood St Buff-yellow" is a good match with photos sent to her from Europe of Mme Trifle.
I would like to see a close-up view of receptacle and pedicel of Mme Trifle. And of Mme Hoste, if anyone still grows it.
We haven't seen mature hips on Wood St or "Fake Perle" (which appears similar enough to Wood St to be a sport or sport parent). Mme Trifle has no descendants listed. Mme Hoste has descendants, as seed parent.
Neither has a sport listed on hmf.
Added: the other most strikingly burgundy-coloured spring flush among my unknown Teas at present is on "Agnes Saffron's Early Tea", but that doesn't set hips either.
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Margaret, have you considered 'Jean Pernet' as a possible identity?.
I was looking at the photos of your beautiful rose, thinking that it must be a close cross from Safrano possibly with a Dijon Tea or something very double, and when I looked up Safrano's offspring, Jean Pernet (Devoniensis x Safrano) stood out. It looks very much like 'The Garden' illustration, especially with the undulate leaf edges, and the other early drawings seem to give the stems a strong reddish cast. The Lockley photo is hard to draw a conclusion from but you would be able to compare one of your own flowers in that state of opening in profile.
Sangerhausen gives 8/10 for fragrance, so maybe that might not match.
Edit: I just notice the comment where Wood St Buff is relatively thornless, so maybe not Jean Pernet if it has thorns.
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One person suggested that it might be a sport or reversion of "Fake Perle". I don't like that because they're on a different timetable; but that's not reliable. Spray Cecile Brunner starts flowering quite a bit later than Mlle Cecile Brunner and White Cecile Brunner, at least in my garden.
I don't get involved much in research - my main contributions to heritage roses are documenting by photographs, and propagating for the collection at Renmark (when we were still planting there), and for backup gardens.
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#2 of 3 posted
29 MAR 18 by
 HubertG
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My feeling (without having grown either rose) is that there are too many differences for it to be a sport, especially when the odds are placed in favour of it being one of the many hundreds of other varieties from that time.
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18 NOV 18 by
HubertG
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Should 'Mme. Charles' perhaps be reconsidered as an identity for this rose? I noted the similarity to Safrano previously but back then I didn't realise 'Mme. Charles' was practically thornless like this rose. One reservation is the early Australian reference to 'Mme. Charles' growing to 9 feet. Apart from that "WSBY" could easily be called a "glorified Safrano".
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There was a suggestion at one stage that "Fake Perle" might be a sport parent of "Wood St Buff-yellow'. At Renmark they appear to be on a different timetable - " Wood St" having a flush of new growth when "Fake Perle" doesn't. Which isn't necessarily significant.
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Margaret - that was a superb photo of the foliage you have added. Back in 2007 I was wondering if this rose could be HT but came to no conclusion.
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Lots of red blobs in my garden at present; the parrots are having a lovely time sucking the sap from them.
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Responding to Salix in a photo comment.
I had hoped that those who concentrated on teas would have added more info to "Wood St. buff Yellow". At the moment there are almost no characteristics in the file, not even the basic colour. I'll start adding a bit so you have something to compare against your Snug Harbour tea.
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