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'Charles de Mills' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 146-643
most recent 28 JUL SHOW ALL
Initial post 24 JUL by HeathRose
I am new to growing old garden roses. My R. Charles de Mills is still fully clothed in leaves at the end of Winter. With my reblooming roses I will prune them in a few weeks time and any remaining leaves get removed, just wondering if stripping off the leaves of CdM and other once flowerers that have retained leaves is a good idea too?
Reply #1 of 6 posted 25 JUL by Margaret Furness
I can't say I've ever given any thought to this. However, the once-flowerers are about to launch into their once-a-year event, and might want a maximum source of energy production. I'd be inclined to leave them to drop leaves that aren't necessary.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 25 JUL by jedmar
I wouldn't strip off leaves. The plant knows when and which leaves it should drop for best survival. It optimizes water and nutrient flow
Reply #3 of 6 posted 25 JUL by Jay-Jay
Maybe prune after flowering? For it blooms on old wood.
Reply #4 of 6 posted 28 JUL by HeathRose
Thanks so much for your replies. I had anticipated that you would all say the opposite! But very glad to have one less chore to do. The once flowering roses I have are all quite young and I haven't pruned them yet, but might very lightly this year after flowering. Hopefully they will just shed their old leaves naturally.
Reply #5 of 6 posted 28 JUL by Jay-Jay
You're welcome.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 28 JUL by Margaret Furness
That's one of the reasons I like old roses. They don't need, or like, what someone called "the Morticia Addams style of pruning".
Discussion id : 129-995
most recent 7 DEC 21 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 7 DEC 21 by Unregistered Guest
Available from - High Country Roses
Discussion id : 129-055
most recent 16 SEP 21 HIDE POSTS
Initial post 14 SEP 21 by Le_Not
Available from - Fedco Trees
Reply #1 of 2 posted 16 SEP 21 by jedmar
Not on the website of Fedco Trees. Can you ask them to register their nursery on HMF and add their plants?
Reply #2 of 2 posted 16 SEP 21 by Le_Not
Rats -- they JUST changed it! (And I was hoping to buy this and several other now-discontinued roses from them, too...) In any case; yes, I'll email them and suggest they register on HMF.
Discussion id : 128-504
most recent 28 JUL 21 SHOW ALL
Initial post 16 JUL 21 by CybeRose
I am baffled by references to bronze or orange shadings in this variety. Could there have been another variety of the same, or similar, name?

By the way, the 'Charles de Mills' I remember from Kansas was small and rather unhappy, and very much a Gallica. But the plant growing at the Heritage Garden in San Jose looks more like a Hybrid China ... or a once-blooming version of something David Austin would have raised.
Reply #1 of 2 posted 17 JUL 21 by jedmar
Yes, strange. Nietner's description is a German translation of Baudriller's 1880 catalogue. Singer in 1885 then must have taken these for his Dictionnaire. I feel that CdM was lost for about 50 years until the 20th century. Orange-red as a colour description is also strange - there are no orange-reds at all in the 19th century. This colour appeared with the Pernetianas. So, what did rouge orangé or orangeroth mean in 1880?
Reply #2 of 2 posted 28 JUL 21 by CybeRose
The varieties listed under 'Charles de Mills' that have "orange" or "bronze" in the name or description are mostly described as striped or streaked.

William Paul (1848) set up a new class he called Hybrid French. Some of these had some yellow in them. 'Emérence' is one example.

'Commandant Beaurepaire' has streaks and stripes of pink, rose, lilac etc.

A rose that combined coloring something like 'Commandant Beaurepaire' superimposed on the cream and yellow of 'Emérence' might come close to some of the descriptions. If we squint a bit and think happy orange thoughts.
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