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'Queen of Hearts' rose Reviews & Comments
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For HubertG
It is odd that Correspondent Dog Rose had the same named column in two different newspapers, about the same time.
I have added the publications, The Observer and The Journal but had a little difficulty with this last one so added (Adelaide SA) to its name. In the references you have added, you have underlined the words about the stamens. In the past I have underlined info I thought may have been incorrect. Were you emphasising this information, or did you think it was incorrect?
The rose seems to have added a petal or two or more over the decades.
1921 B/w photo shows a double rose.
1922 semi-double
1922 stamens
1922 fairly full - stamens
1927 UK almost single
1929 loose
1932 Alister Clark: “double”.
Co-incidentally i saw just yesterday my first opening bloom. Peta Zadow brought me over cuttings from Kodja Place last January.
In my photo today (Oct 5, 2019) of my first bloom it is impossible to see any stamens and it certainly is double. The colour leans towards lilac pink. I suspect the rose is variable and responds to local conditions. We have had good rains and I have fertilised well.
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#1 of 4 posted
5 OCT 19 by
 HubertG
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Patricia,
I underlined those comments about the stamens because I thought they were likely to be accurate and significant to the correct identification of this rose. I know all those references are from the same person, but he did grow 'Queen of Hearts' himself and he seemed to be a very knowledgeable writer on roses. I can remove the underlining if you like. I looked at the photos here of 'Queen of Hearts' but couldn't see any stamens showing. It's possible that it is a rose that can be more double at times and semi-double at others, but if 'Queen of Hearts' did have dark crimson stamens and the rose sold today as this variety doesn't, then of course there'd have to be some doubt.
I note too that 'Rosy Morn', as one parent of 'Queen of Hearts', is described as having red stamens as well, so this tends to give more weight to QofH having had inherited that characteristic.
I still can't enter new publications when adding references. I can only use ones already entered into the database. It's frustrating because I find an exciting reference and then give up trying to add it.
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Don’t give up HubertG. Just add the reference as you did and one of us will see it and adjust things.
I think it is probably best if you delete the underlining. It is confusing if one person is underlining something as incorrect, and another is using the underlining as significant.
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#3 of 4 posted
7 OCT 19 by
HubertG
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I have removed the underlining, Patricia.
I notice that the S'Orrosa rose nursery in Italy is selling a 'Queen of Hearts' that has about 4 or 5 rows of petals and prominent anthers with red filaments which matches more closely the early newspaper descriptions. They have just one photo on their website which can be viewed here:
https://www.saorrosa.it/il-cuore-della-collezione/i-nostri-ibridi-di-gigantea-1/queen-of-hearts/
It would be very interesting to know its provenance.
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Perhaps you could ask them?
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I received my Queen of Hearts today. Good to see it in the USA.
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Vintage has it! Also, Milkmaid. Must be imported 2 year wait. I can not wait to try them.
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Looking for descendant information on the early Alister Clark HT 'Sunny South' I remembered reading in the book "A Man of Roses. Alister Clarke of Glenara - and his Family" (T.J. Garnet) that Queen of Heart (not Queen of Hearts... not sure if it is a typo in the book or not???) was released in 1920 (not 1919) and the parentage is quoted as "Gigantea x Sunny South seed x Rosy Morn". Checked the page ref. (if someone wants to verify this), and it was from page 122.
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Thank you Simon. Have you had a look at the references for ‘Queen of Hearts’? There are four Helpmefind pages of references and one of the 1920 ones says “issued last year”. Alister himself gives us the parentage of ‘Gustav Grunerwald’ x ‘Rosymorn’ in the 1928 reference. There is a mine of information in the Helpmefind references about most of the Alister Clark roses, far much more than in any other media I’ve seen.
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"There is a mine of information in the Helpmefind references about most of the Alister Clark roses, far much more than in any other media I’ve seen."
Yes... thought you might like another... I don't know whether it is right or wrong. just passing on the reference.
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Its wrong, and the parentage is underlined to alert you it is wrong. That reference has been there since September 2008. However, if you find another reference that we don’t have, we would be so happy to share it with all.
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