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'Mrs. Reynolds Hole' rose Reviews & Comments
Discussion id : 113-822
most recent 19 APR 22 SHOW ALL
 
Initial post 1 NOV 18 by HubertG
I used to grow this rose. It is a very untealike Tea in several ways, and I did think that it was perhaps incorrect, but I'm not too sure now about writing it off like that. It really didn't repeat flower well for me (even though the nursery insisted it did for them, and I tried it from 2 different nurseries) and the growths were long more like an HP than a twiggy Tea. However its breeding is a Tea x Hybrid Tea (effectively) and this is consistent in theory at least with it setting no hips at all (at least when I had it), so is probably triploid. The early descriptions seem to emphasise long stems, and it did send up long shoots (but not Tea-like). Also Sangerhausen describes it as blooming in autumn, and I wonder if this is their way of saying it blooms only in spring and autumn.
Apart from that, the colour description or deep purple-pink corresponds, and it did have a very nice fragrance. The wood was a dark bronzy colouring from memory.
I wonder if it was simply introduced as a Tea by virtue of its parentage rather than its qualities, and it is perhaps the correct variety after all. It's one I'm tempted to try again.
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Reply #1 of 15 posted 1 NOV 18 by Margaret Furness
Margaret's rule of thumb; if it smells good, it ain't Tea.
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Reply #2 of 15 posted 1 NOV 18 by HubertG
LOL, true, but I'm saying it still could be the correct variety if it wasn't a true Tea when it was introduced in the first place. I really don't know, I was just interested in hearing peoples' opinions.
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Reply #3 of 15 posted 2 NOV 18 by Margaret Furness
I read somewhere that rose paternity is not what the breeder thought in 15%. I guess it depends on how rigorous you are at excluding errant bees.
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Reply #4 of 15 posted 16 JUN 21 by Marlorena
HubertG's descriptions sounds like the rose I have here... I love the scent, just like a sweet Old Rose fragrance.. grows like what I consider a lanky Hybrid Perpetual, semi climbing, large foliage.. can't say about repeat at this point.

How Peter Beales had it down as ''slight scent'' 3' x 3' I've no idea, as I would have thought I had the same rose that he was selling under this name..
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Reply #5 of 15 posted 16 JUN 21 by Margaret Furness
See the 2019 reference. In the article, Hillary Merrifield concluded that the rose currently sold under this name is 'Reynolds Hole' (HP or Bourbon, Trouillard 1861). It was imported from Beales' nursery.
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Reply #6 of 15 posted 17 JUN 21 by HubertG
Marlorena, 'Mrs. Reynold's Hole' could easily have inherited it's good scent from its grandparent HP 'General Jacgueminot'.

I'm still not convinced that the rose sold as 'Mrs. Reynolds Hole' is incorrect. It never set any hips for me and this is more consistent with an expected ploidy from being a Tea x HT cross rather than the usual ploidy of a standard Hybrid Perpetual like 'Reynolds Hole'. Also, I do see some physical similarities to 'Archiduc Joseph' particularly in the plump but pointed buds.
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Reply #7 of 15 posted 17 JUN 21 by Marlorena
..thanks both.. the rose I have appears to be the same as in the photos shown by Margaret Furness, so it's interesting that some think it's 'Reynolds Hole'.. I'm not seeing any early references to ''strong fragrance'' against that rose though, and my rose does have a strong scent..

.. I'd like to think you are correct Hubert.. don't you think it looks like a Bourbon/HP though?..
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Reply #8 of 15 posted 17 JUN 21 by HubertG
Marlorena, yes, whether more Bourbon or HP is hard to say, but it certainly isn't a pure Tea. It's a sort of an "in-between" type rose, perhaps more on the HP side. Its beautiful purple-pink colouring and fragrance are its great assets. It might be worthwhile experimenting with lightly pruning and fertilising this rose after its flush to see if you can stimulate more flowers.
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Reply #9 of 15 posted 17 JUN 21 by Marlorena
I shall try that Hubert... I'll report back on results..
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Reply #10 of 15 posted 23 AUG 21 by HubertG
I found this reference interesting - from The Australasian newspaper 13th July, 1912 Page 75:

"FRAGRANT ROSES. [...] It is difficult to pick out a dozen of the most deliciously-scented teas, but here is a list which may be difficult to beat:- Devoniensis, Catherine Mermet, Muriel Grahame, Bridesmaid, Bride (the last four are related, and all have a fruity smell), Molly Sharman Crawford, Souvenir de Stella Gray [sic], Lady Roberts, Souvenir de William Robinson, Mrs. C. Whitney, Souvenir de Catherine Guillot, and Andre Schwartz."

So at least according to that writer 'André Schwartz', the pollen parent of 'Mrs. Reynolds Hole' had a good enough scent to list it in his dozen most fragrant Teas. I can't see any reason why 'Mrs. Reynolds Hole' couldn't have inherited its fragrance from 'André Schwartz'.
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Reply #11 of 15 posted 23 AUG 21 by Margaret Furness
You can read Hillary's article via Trove - I can't post the link here - if you enter Trove Heritage Roses in Australia 41.2 and scroll down to pp 30-33.
Patricia's article on Lady Mary Fitzwilliam in the same issue, pp 41-43, is also worth reading.
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Reply #12 of 15 posted 25 AUG 21 by HubertG
Thanks, Margaret. I found that issue and it was an interesting read.
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Reply #13 of 15 posted 19 APR 22 by Hamanasu
Hi Marlorena, how has repeat proven to be for this variety in England? I'm debating with myself whether to get this from Trevor White on account of your and other folks' report about the scent, but if repeat is poor it's a deal breaker... Thank you in advance for your reply.
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Reply #14 of 15 posted 19 APR 22 by Marlorena
Hi Hamanasu..

I'm sorry, I can't remember whether it repeated well or not, I have no autumn photos of this rose, so perhaps not.
I decided not to keep it, so It was removed during the winter. Its habit is tall and lanky and needs supporting. Sorry I can't be much help on this one.
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Reply #15 of 15 posted 19 APR 22 by Hamanasu
Thank you for the quick reply. Considering I have no space at all and something would have had to come out of the garden to make room for this one, your remarks helped me decide against this particular purchase!
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Discussion id : 112-375
most recent 23 JUL 18 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 23 JUL 18 by HubertG
From Rosen-Zeitung 1901, page 14:

"Neuste Rosen für 1901
Beschreibungen der Züchter.

Züchter: P. u. C. Nabonnand.
Mrs Reynolds Hole (Thee). Blume sehr gross, sehr gefüllt, Farbe dunkel purpurrosa, Mitte karmesin gefärbt, sehr schöne einfarbige Knospe auf langem Stengel, Strauch sehr kräftig, stacheliges, broncerotes Holz; sehr schönes Laub; sehr reichblühend, wohlriechend. Archiduc Joseph x André Scwartz."

My translation:

Newest Roses for 1901
Descriptions by the breeder.

Breeder: P. & C. Nabonnand.
Mrs. Reynolds Hole (Tea). Flower very large, very full, colour dark purple-pink, centre coloured crimson, very beautiful single-coloured bud on a long stem, bush very vigorous, prickly, bronze-red wood; very beautiful foliage; very floriferous, fragrant. Archiduc Joseph x André Schwartz.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 23 JUL 18 by Patricia Routley
Thanks HubertG. Reference added.
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Discussion id : 69-623
most recent 24 JAN 13 HIDE POSTS
 
Initial post 24 JAN 13 by hebe
The colour is spectacuar, and the form lovely, but unfortunately all the new shoots (some over a metre high), and some old leaves, burnt completely on a sunny day which reached 38C. The growth is unlike any Tea rose I have ever had, and I believe more like a Bourbon. It sends up lots of new shoots from the base. It recovered from being burnt, and I am persevering.
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