‘Mme. Ravary’ makes interesting reading for those interested in “Smart’s Rose” (syns: “Bishop’s Lodge Linton Gold”; “Bishop’s Lodge Quiet Reflections”). Mostly ‘Mme. Ravary’ was said to be a hybrid tea, but with tea in its make-up, and I note here “Quiet Reflections” was once said to be a tea.
‘Mme. Ravary’ certainly got to Australia in the early 1900’s. The stems were thorny (as with the foundlings). The early references do say it was orange-yellow - in 1926 it was being colour-compared with ‘Mrs. Dunlop-Best’. ‘Mme. Ravary’ seemed to lose its strong colour quickly. I have noticed a loss of colour in “Smart’s Rose” – see my photos 116 001 and 116 004. And see some of the photos from Cree and Margaret which appear to be almost cream.
Against this identification are the references in which ‘Mme. Ravary’ was said to have long buds and I think the foundlings’ buds are short-ish. No reference mentions the reddish new foliage of the foundlings. – see my photo 116 006. And Jack Harkness in 1978 did say he recalled ‘Mme. Ravary’ as being light chamois pink. My main hesitation comes from the 1899 date. The foundling is such a strong yellow that I feel that it must be a rose from after ‘Souvenir de Claudius Pernet’, 1910.
Any thoughts? Does anybody have photos of the ‘Mme. Ravary’ growing at Cavriglia (see 1999 ref)
Oh, bless you John. It is so good to have people contributing suggestions to the foundlings. AmiRoses' photo of 'Alix Roussel' is certainly similar to Natalee Kuser's photo of "Smart's Rose" June 8, 2003 which I uploaded in 2009. Coppery yellow with salmon centre may fit. But it is the 1909 and 1914 references to elongated bud and bloom that don't quite jell with me. Do other growers in Australia see "Bishop's Lodge Linton Gold" and "Smart's Rose" as ...elongated? And perhaps others may know of more early references to 'Alix Roussel'. I've had a wee search.
I have just read Graham Thomas in ‘The Rose Annual; UK 1970 p136 writing: “Roses are often the main summer feature of great gardens where any sort of formality obtains. They do not fit, however, nor do they often thrive in the woodland groves and dells on acid loam in the many great rhododendron gardens.” And boy, oh boy, is that my garden to a T. Great rhododendrons, great camellias, but the only place my roses really grow well is in my mind. So….. my first 2002 cutting of “Smart’s Rose”, planted in gravely soil, died in 2009. Another plant purchased in 2003 on R. fortuniana rootstock was moved in 2007 out of this gravel to deep loam and this is the plant from which I have taken the photos for HelpMefind. It is OK. To have just one plant of something rare is always worrisome, so in 2010 I struck another and it is doing OK, but not thriving. So I have a couple of plants but we really should have opinions from people like Cree, the Bishop’s Lodge volunteers and if only John Nieuwesteeg…… I actually have “Smart’s Rose” in my garden records as being a hybrid tea. That is how it looks to me, but I could be wrong. It certainly looks more glandular than a tea normally is.
You'e right, I didn't read the elongated bud reference, just to keep going how about primrose, references are a bit slim but one says flower is like Narcisse which I looked up and made me wonder?
I don't think I've heard anyone call "Bishop's Lodge Linton Gold" a Tea in Aus. Later correction: I see it has been called a Tea, but not recently. And I still can't get the delete button to work.
Primrose was bred by Bennett in 1885, some of his stuff isn't well documented and have been classified as Teas ie Grace Darling (1884) when they are probably an HT. This is probably the case with Primrose
<u>1990. Heritage Roses in Australia. Vol 12, No. 4.</u> P19. Robert Peace, [Ed., on a visit to] The Bishop’s Lodge, Hay. .....and an exhibition perfect ochre Tea. [This reference may, or may not, be for “Bishop’s Lodge Linton Gold”. I am unaware if there is another ochre tea at Bishop’s Lodge.- Patricia]
<u>1992 March. Brenda Weir (dec’d). Roses in the Hidden Garden [of Bishop’s Lodge]</u> This article reprinted in the 2003 Heritage Roses in Australia Inc. 7th National Conference, Hay, NSW Proceedings, Page 46. B.L. Linton Gold. (roses 5 and 15). The blooms of these roses, which appear to be identical, are gold to ochre. Tea Rose blood is indicated by very red new growth. Members of Heritage Roses have suggested that the golden-ochre shade would have been very sought after around 1912 although we have yet to establish the date of these roses. Like most of the roses in the Bishop’s Lodge garden these are recurrent and flowers slight nodding. No hips have been recorded to date.
<u>1996 Journal of Heritage Roses in Australia Vol 18 No 4</u> Summer Page 20. David Ruston. Bishop’s Lodge, Hay and Its Roses. Hybrid Tea. “[Bishop’s Lodge] Linton Gold”. Produces recurrent blooms of gold to ochre, a rare colour in the 1920s. New growth is very red, indicating Tea blood. Flowers are slightly nodding and no hips have been produced.
<u>2003. Nov. Patricia’s notes at the Heritage Roses in Australia Inc. 7th National Conference, Hay, NSW</u> “Bishop’s Lodge Linton Gold” HT. Ochre to gold. Classic HT form. Seems to have more petals than “Smart’s Rose ROR” in WA. It seems a bigger, full rose. Linton Gold has very long strong petals almost horizontal, but wide-based. The sepals seem a little hairy (was this thrip?) I think it was John Niewesteeg who suggested to look for similar roses of Lady Hillingdon parentage. Note the very prickly pedicel on "Bishop's Lodge Linton Gold."
<u>2003. December 9. Patricia to friends</u> Another idle wonder: Was it John Nieuwesteeg who said about "Linton Gold ROR" to look for similar roses with 'Lady Hillingdon parentage. I've just noticed in The Yellow Rose 1-2-22 'Louise Baldwin' Tea. McGredy, 1919. Hennessey says of it: This rose may be the one you amateur hybridists are looking for, as it is 100% obvious that it is a self-seedling of Lady Hillingdon and about the same orange that is so luscious, with a little better shape and color stability. Also it has the same marvellous healthy foliage. Brent C. Dickerson's The Old Rose Adventurer p420 calls it a HT.
2003. Ruston’s Roses – Rose Collection 2003-2004 p34. Linton Gold. Hybrid Tea. Gold. Ex Bishop’s Lodge, Hay.
