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'Thisbe' rose Reviews & Comments
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Héroïne de la mytologie grecque
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Another reference regarding parentage:
Book: Botanica's Pocket Roses (2000), page 862
"Pemberton, UK, 1918 Sport of 'Daphne'"
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Thanks Simon. The parentage of 'Thisbe' 1918 quoted as a sport of 'Daphne' goes back to 1940 in my literature where Modern Roses 2 quoted it, but adding a question mark.
Noting the other quoted parentage for 'Thisbe' of 'Marie-Jeanne' 1913 x 'Perle des Jardins' 1874, it is interesting to take a side track and look at Pemberton's 'Kathleen' 1922 where the parentage is 'Daphne' 1912 x 'Perle des Jardins' 1874. Gets me nowhere of course, but I find it interesting.
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I have trouble actually seeing 'Daphne' in it to be honest... and can see what looks like the influence of 'Perle des Jardins' in it. Which ever is right, I love the look of it. I haven't bought 'Daphne' yet but have just planted 'Thisbe' and it is actually what I picture the form of my 'Trier' x 'Marie Van Houte' and 'Trier' x 'Monsieur Tillier' seedlings looking like. With any luck they will be just as beautiful as 'Thisbe' is.
When you say the parentage as a sport of 'Daphne' goes back to 1940 do you mean that's when it changes to 'Marie-Jeanne' x 'Perle des Jardins' or that the 'M-J- x PdJ' parentage predates it?
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At this stage, the refs show the first mention of "sport of 'Daphne'" in 1940. The 1965 and 1988 refs show the 'Marie-Jeanne x Perle des Jardins' parentage. We really need earlier references for this 1918 rose.
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Roy Genders (The Rose - a complete handbook, 1965, p494) says that 'Thisbe' has the same parentage as 'Prosperity', which he gives as 'Marie Jeanne' x 'Perle les Jardines' [sic]. Like so many rose books, there is no indication of the source of this information. I haven't found any additional parentage info so far. BCD has the parentage as Marie Jeanne x Perle des Jardins, so it may be worth asking him whether he has an earlier reference. Patricia, I searched 'your' indexes in my computer and found a reference to 'Thisbe' in the 1939 Rose Annual (122-2). Would you mind checking to see if there's anything useful there?
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3 SEP 11 by
jedmar
Roy Genders has it probably from G.S.Thomas (1963), whose source might have been himself (!). In any case, 'Marie Jeanne' x 'Perle des Jardins' should not result in any musk fragrance. Does someone have both 'Thisbe' and 'Danaë' to ascertain whether the former could in fact be a sport of the latter?
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It is unfortunate that so much of our rose literature is so bereft of footnote, endnote or helpful reference. Two of the many things I admire about GST are that he did include some clues about his sources and that, when he realised he was responsible for an error, he set about acknowledging and correcting it in print. I have always wished more rosarians were prepared to do the same so that we might have an easier task of sorting fact from opinion. In his chapter on The Hybrid Musk Roses in 'The Graham Stuart Thomas Rose Book', he mentions the fact that coloured plates of the Hybrid Musks are conspicuous by their absence ("Apart from one poor picture of an over-coloured 'Felicia' in the National Rose Society's 'Annual', I have found no good portrait other than that recorded for 'Danae' [The Garden, 1913, page 254]" and refers us to his own article in The Rose Annual,1968 and Hazel Le Rougetel's 'A Heritage of Roses', 1988. Jack Harkness also has a chapter on Pemberton in 'The Creators of Heavenly Roses'. I'll check these refs later today to see if there is anything there about 'Thisbe' and will also see whether copies of 'The Garden' from that era have any light to shed.
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Is this a repeat bloomer?
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yes it repeats. see here : http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=6254
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How tall does this get to be in zone 6? Thanks!
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Like most Hybrid Musks,Thisbe can grow to 6 feet and then bend over at the top.
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Thank you! My other HyMusk (Ballerina) is much shorter-growing so I'll be prepared for this one to be tall.
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