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'Golden State' rose Reviews & Comments
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Responding further to PeterA’s very pale photo of ‘Golden State.
This is a curly one Peter. I have added G..le translations to the two conflicting 1937 references. The first one says “spiny reddish wood” and the second one says “few thorns”. The Patent section on prickles seems utter twaddle and I don’t understand it. Macoboy’s 1993 reference is also of interest and needs to be added in full - I haven’t yet read it. Today I will search my bookshelf and see what else I can find on this rose. (The March flies are horrendous here right now so a pleasure to stay inside).
Later edit. Peter, I have added a few more references.
Nobody at all mentioned the prickles. However, it was a pernetiana and so I think it had to be thorny and will change it from thornless to has thorns. I have no idea what Stirling Macoboy meant when he wrote "Do not confuse this rose with a later rose of the same name". So far, we only have the one 'Golden State' listed.
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#1 of 6 posted
11 APR 21 by
petera
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Patricia,
Sorry I missed your comment of a month ago. My plant is a pretty typical pernetiana but it does have quite distinctive foliage. The leaflets are oval or even obovate rather than the usual ovate, and very dark, matt green. It drives me crazy that on HMF there are so many interchangeable pictures of flowers but very few that provide information useful for identification. That is probably inescapable of as people get excited about their flowers and want to show them to others.
Peter
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That’s quite okay PeterA.
It drives me crackers too.
I’ve peered at the photo of the newsaper cutting 1-8-39, from the California Nursery archives (thanks Member Bartbalk) to see what I could find and came up with:
“red filaments” (the Plant Patent says “amber, often lemon”).
The petal count in the article says “60 petals”. (The Plant Patent says “30-45”) In another ref I think I saw 55 being quoted.
And as for fading: “maintain their rich color until the petals drop”. The 1993 and 1999 refs do say it has faded over the years.
Do you take a look at the Plant Patents? I think I recall that no hips had been noted.
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#3 of 6 posted
11 APR 21 by
petera
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How do I access the patents? Do you have a url? Any examination of stamens will have to wait until next spring. My plant has shut down for the season and we will probably have our first frost in the next couple of mornings. That pale flower I uploaded hadn't faded, it just came out very pale. I have never seen a flower with anything remotely near 50 petals. I am a dead header but will test if hips form.
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On the page for ‘Golden State’, on the left you will see
Habit, Growing, Breeder Notes, Patents.
On the right in Patents, click on View US Patent Office Patent.
Once opened, click on Images, and you usually have to go to page 2.
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#5 of 6 posted
11 APR 21 by
petera
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That was silly of me.
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#6 of 6 posted
20 MAY 21 by
petera
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On my plant the filaments are largely yellow but with red at the base.
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28 MAR 21 by
 BartBalk
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We were wondering about the timing of the name. So Antoine Meilland visited California in 1937?
Do you know where he visited? Did he visit the California Nursery Company?
If they were ramping up for production to be maximum for the 1939-1940 Golden Gate International Exposition it make sense that they started production several years before 1939.
To my surprise, I found that the nursery sold the GS rose earlier than 1939 in one of their little brochures.
We have a movie (somewhere) of Robert Pyle and George Roeding, Jr. together, I think at the GGIE.
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Not thornless, I had a mother plant that had only one slender cane left, not a very hardy rose.
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The collection at Washington Park left the same impression: low vigor.
It wasn't very tall, which was a plus for that era, and the color is a nice old gold, which I found really cool. It also had substance that was rare for that era.
It did have some prickles, and not a lot of foliage. It wasn't disease riddled like the local Crimson Glory and some others, but it the foliage wasn't pretty or abundant, either.
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#2 of 2 posted
28 MAR 21 by
BartBalk
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I saw it in October at Washington Park a couple of years ago and it did not have many petals. I wasn't sure if it was the GS.
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