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"Shalice" rose Reviews & Comments
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I take back my earlier comment about lack of scent. On this warm, humid, summer's day it has a distinct tea rose scent. In the past I couldn't detect any scent but either my nose has changed or the weather has stimulated the flower. Given the foliage and the slight tinge of yellow at the petal bases I think this rose has some tea in its ancestry.
It also appears to be setting hips. I will let them mature before I check for seed.
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Collected by John Nieuwesteeg and named for the family who grew it.
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Thank you Margaret.
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#2 of 5 posted
4 NOV 18 by
 HubertG
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How regularly does this repeat? It does look more HT than anything else. It actually reminds me a bit of the early illustrations of 'Lady Mary Fitzwilliam'.
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The expert nurseryman who collected it says it's Portland. I can't answer re repeat but will keep watching it.
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#4 of 5 posted
21 JAN 23 by
Pacifier
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I'm of the opinion it's likely the 1867 Baroness Rothschild (Pernet).
It keys out well with the references. George Arends is famously thornless so def not that. Lady Mary Fitzwilliam is very much in the classic HT style (unless you have Mrs Wakefield Christie Miller which was widely sold as Lady Mary).
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#5 of 5 posted
2 FEB 23 by
petera
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I don't currently have Baroness Rothschild to compare it with but my memory is that BR has conventional Damask style leaves, is much pricklier, and doesn't have the knobby, jointed stems. The short pedicels, flower form and total lack of fragrance are similar although S is a messier flower. From looking at the pictures on HMF the receptacle is constricted below the sepals in BR but not in S. There is a good picture of BR on HMF posted by Feva back in June 2012 to compare with my Shalice pictures.
The leaves of Shalice are very distinct; it is smooth, thin and papery, and in the spring the new foliage has a strong, silvery, metallic sheen that is not evident later in the season.
It doesn't at all resemble the plant I used have as Georg Arends. That was much like its supposed parent La France with thin stems and higher-centred flowers with a powerful perfume.
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Would someone who grows Georg Arends please compare it with the photos of "Shalice" - it has been suggested as an ID.
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I have never relied on perfume as an identifying characteristic, because different noses smell different fragrances. However, in this case, PeterA has said he cannot detect any fragrance in “Shalice”. (PeterA might be a bit like me. The perfume might be there but my nose just cannot smell it.)
Other people need to smell “Shalice” and report back.
‘Georg Arends’ was said to have an excellent centifolia scent.
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There is ongoing discussion about whether this is more recent than a Portland.
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#1 of 6 posted
18 APR 20 by
petera
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Any further ideas on the class of this rose? To me it screams HP with the exception of its foliage that is very smooth, thin and papery, and too shiny for most HPs. The new foliage in the spring has a strong, silvery, metallic sheen that is not as evident later in the year. It is an odd rose but is healthy, repeats well for an HP and has very lovely large flowers and few prickles. Unfortunately, while it looks like it should be perfumed there is none that my nose detects.
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Smooth, thin and papery. Excellent description Petera. I have added a few more details to the Notes - please check.
Now for hip photo's?
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Margaret, how does “Shalice” compare with Marjorie’s ‘Captain Christy’?
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I don't have Captain Christy here. There is a photo of the plant at Renmark (provenance: Marjorie) under Cl. Captain Christy. It is in a bed that probably didn't get watered this summer.
Captain Christy has one offspring listed from it as seed parent.
My "Shalice" has lots of mummified nothings. I will keep watching the flowers from the recent flush but I don't think it sets viable hips. Mine is planted between two HPs.
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You have photographed ‘Captain Christy’ at Marjorie’s place. I know you cannot go and check her plant these days, but perhaps one day in the future.
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Ozoldroser and I compared the prickles and foliage of "Shalice" and Captain Christy in winter (didn't have a camera with me till too late), and they are not the same rose.
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