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Initial post 6 AUG 06 by Anonymous-797

Reply #1 of 23 posted 8 AUG 06 by William

Reply #6 of 23 posted 11 AUG 06 by Anonymous-105318

Reply #2 of 23 posted 9 AUG 06 by desert dweller

Reply #3 of 23 posted 9 AUG 06 by HMF supporting member

Kim Rupert

Mermaid can, in NO way, be considered "lightly prickled"! They are LARGE, hooked and VERY SHARP! It's a wonderful rose and I adore it, but to even suggest it should be considered similar to a rose such as Zephirine is a great dis service to anyone making use of the misinformation. Mermaid can easily be used as living barbed wire. My place of employment has it enveloping wrought iron fencing. No one in their right mind would EVER attempt to breach that barrier! I've tried shredding Mermaid canes in a ten horse power shredder, years ago when I was much less careful than I've become with time. That was a MISTAKE! They would not shred, but began whipping around like heavily spiked tenticals of a giant squid, hooking me, shredding my clothes and literally attempting to pull me into the shredder! Mermaid is a great rose, but definitely one I would NEVER suggest growing anywhere it can "bite" anyone. Kim Rupert

Reply #4 of 23 posted 9 AUG 06 by William

Kim, My only intention was to give an alternate since I know of no other antique climber this is completely thornless. I do realize that it has SHARP thorns but in my encounters it hasn't had that many. William	REPLY

Reply #5 of 23 posted 10 AUG 06 by Anonymous-97434

There are a few of the Boursault Roses still around, and they are mostly thornless. http://www.helpmefind.com/rose/pl.php?n=813 Their main drawback is they are once blooming.	REPLY

Reply #7 of 23 posted 30 AUG 06 by HMF supporting member

Jeri Jennings

Kim is correct! 'WARE 'Mermaid'!!! It is HEAVILY covered with vicious thorns.Thornless Climbing OGR's??? I'm not aware of any others -- but you CAN grow 'Reine des Violettes' as a low climber -- at least you can in warm climates. And it is virtually thornless.Be careful, however! MANY incorrect roses are sold under the name 'Reine des Violettes!!! This is a rose which I would ONLY purchase from a legitimate specialist grower. I have seen too many "wrong-uns." Jeri JenningsCoastal Ventura County, Southern California

Reply #8 of 23 posted 28 SEP 06 by Unregistered Guest

There is a rose called Martha which is a sport of Zepherine D (I think) that I bought about a year or two ago from Ashdown Roses. It hasn't bloomed as well for me as Zepherine does but I am still hopeful. It is nearly thornless and has grown well--I have it interwoven on a fence. It's a lighter pink with a light fragrance. Sorry I don't have a photo to send you.	REPLY

Reply #9 of 23 posted 28 SEP 06 by polliewogg

And there is another sport of Zephirine called Kathleen Harrop which is a lighter pink than Martha. Both are available from Vintage Gardens and there are pictures.	REPLY

Reply #10 of 23 posted 28 SEP 06 by HMF supporting member

Jeri Jennings

I should mention here that Zephirine Drouhan can have powdery mildew problems in areas where that is a problem. Of course, there are many areas where mildew isn't a big deal -- it's a huge issue where I live. Jeri Jennings Coastal Couthern California	REPLY

Reply #15 of 23 posted 16 MAR 07 by William

I talked with a microbiologist about black spot and she told me to try coarse ground corn meal. She said by accident she found it to kill the fungus in the ground. Sprinkle liberally as it will not harm the roses. If this works it will indeed be a find for natural remedies.	REPLY

Reply #11 of 23 posted 28 SEP 06 by Lulu

Try Climbing Pinkie or Climbing China Doll. These are not heritage roses but are both virtually thornless polyanther type climbers which can be bent easily so make excellent climbers for arbors, gates and verandah posts where prickles are dangerous. Both are pink and very floriferous blooming from spring till late autumn {fall}. I particularly love China Doll and it will strike quite readily if you want more.

Lulu

Reply #12 of 23 posted 11 MAR 07 by Ozarksroselady

I have a Madame Plantier (introduced in 1835). The blooms are white with a tiny green eye at the middle of the center button & have heavenly old-rose fragrance. She is nearly thornless, extremely cold-hardy/drough tolerant & disease-free. I have seen her growing as a graceful, bowing mound, but mine is growing up on a trellis and has canes approx. 12' long. She blooms once, in mid-May here in southern Missouri. See Claire Martin's book 100 Old Roses for the American Garden, p.192-193 for picture & history.

Reply #13 of 23 posted 11 MAR 07 by HMF supporting member

Jeri Jennings

I've seen Mme. Plantier used as a low climber along a picket fence, in a garden in an old Gold Rush town. This wasn't a deserted garden, but a lovely and well-tended one, and I really wanted to ask the lady there about her roses. She was working in her garden when we passed, and must be the only person I've ever met who did not respond favorably to: "Your roses are lovely." :-( Jeri	REPLY

Reply #23 of 23 posted 20 APR 16 by HMF supporting member

GeorgeZ

I've got a Mme. Plantier in my garden for the taking. Any takers?	REPLY

Reply #14 of 23 posted 11 MAR 07 by Ozarksroselady

I thought of another rose that might suit your needs....along with my Madame Plantier, I have growing a Cardinal de Richelieu (introduced 1840)...see Claire Martin's 100 Old Garden Roses for the American Garden, p.106-107. Martin's picture doesn't do the color justice...mine is the most intense deep grape-purple imaginable! The fragrance is of strong, old rose attar. Canes are nearly thornless. Again, mine is growing approx. 12' tall on a trellis--along with the white Mdm. Plantier. Together, they are breath-taking!

Reply #16 of 23 posted 16 MAR 07 by HMF supporting member

Jeri Jennings

Again, the lovely Cardinal de Richelieu is a rose that needs some chill hours. I wish I could grow it in my part of coastal Southern California, but I cannot. :-( Jeri Jennings	REPLY

Reply #17 of 23 posted 16 MAR 07 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Climbers which are thornless or with few thorns are mostly Multifloras or Noisettes, e.g. Aimée Vibert, Crépuscule, Donau, Emerick-Rose, Euphrosyne, Fortune's Double Yellow, Ghislaine de Feligonde, Lamarque, Madeleine Seltzer, Maria Lisa, Mme Alfred Carriere, Regierungsrat Rottenberger, Tausendschön, Veilchenblau	REPLY

Reply #22 of 23 posted 29 NOV 08 by BarbaraG SE Virginia

Lamarque's prickles may be widely spaced, but they are curved and lethal. Of the noisettes, Reve d'Or would be a better choice-- tiny prickles, and very few. Fortune's Double Yellow is right up there with Mermaid-- serious thorns.	REPLY

Reply #18 of 23 posted 7 APR 07 by Unregistered Guest

If your rose labelled Fortune's Double yellow is thornless, it's something else. FDY is a hooker. Nice list though; some of those I can't get hold of, and would love to grow.	REPLY

Reply #20 of 23 posted 8 APR 07 by HMF supporting member

jedmar

Reply #19 of 23 posted 7 APR 07 by HMF supporting member

Margaret Furness

A hooker is a rose that leaps out and acosts passers-by... I'm told that Claire Jacquier is sometimes sold as Fortune's Double Yellow, but I haven't grown CJ and don't know whether it is prickly.	REPLY

Reply #21 of 23 posted 19 APR 07 by HMF supporting member

billy teabag

Ralph Moore's 1954 'Renae' is an excellent thornless climbing rose. Healthy but not overly rampant. Very recurrent. Fragrant. The blooms are pink, aging to a lighter colour. The rose sold [in Australia] as "Beales Mons. Tillier" has many thornless stems. If you are in a mild climate this makes a beautiful, fragrant climber. The rose sold as "Adam" also has very few prickles.	REPLY

Hybrid Teas most recent 25 OCT 06 SHOW ALL

Initial post 5 OCT 06 by BAM

I am looking for a yellow rose, preferably pale, to plant with'Jardins de Bagatelle' and 'Truly Yours', both of which have strong thick stems, large flowers with many of petals, and are compact and very upright, growing to 3.5 to 4 feet tall and remaining narrow. I think Helmut Schmidt fits my need by descriptions, and would appreciate input. I want a pale yellow rose with similar growth and flowering habit that will not overpower or be overpowered by the other two. It would be along side of 'Truly Yours' and both would be in front of 'Jardins de Bagatelle'

Thanks,

BAM

Reply #1 of 5 posted 10 OCT 06 by Idahoroselady

Reply #2 of 5 posted 11 OCT 06 by desert dweller

dear BAM it depends a lot on where you live! I live in a very hot dry area and my Helmut Schmidt is practically orange. I think of Grandpa Dickson as a lovely pale yellow rose, and also Elina. One of the most beautiful I've seen is Golden Wings - it is a low growing, prolific single rose and has red-brown stamens. Hope this helps.	REPLY

Reply #3 of 5 posted 12 OCT 06 by BAM

Dear Desert Dweller.

I should have included climate info. I am in zone 7 in the mid-Atlantic region. The strong caned, narrow, compact and upright growth habit is important to this site. I need a rose that will not get bushy, floppy, and wide, and not exeed 4 feet tall, at least not by much. Could you comment on the growth habit of Helmut Schmidt in your garden. I have found that my roses match or slightly exceed the heights listed in the ARS rose book.

Thanks again,

BAM

Reply #4 of 5 posted 13 OCT 06 by Idahoroselady

I used to grow HS. It is a light colored HT of compact size. I donated it. The flowers were not of show quality. But if you are looking for a garden rose this will also fit your bill. Good Luck	REPLY

Reply #5 of 5 posted 25 OCT 06 by fancypantsnancy

Try "sunsprite" its the best yellow rose even though its a foribunda. I have had mine for over 10 years and have moved it several times	REPLY