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Margaret Furness
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Initial post 1 MAY 20 by HubertG
This is listed as "Archduke Joseph" (with no description) in the Mount Barker Courier of 11 April, 1902, page 3, in an article describing the Aldgate Nursery of Messrs. Smith and Menzel in South Australia.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 1 MAY 20 by Patricia Routley
I am sure Archduke was a pretty common mis-spelling in Australia. I know ‘Archiduc Charles’ copped it as well for decades.
Reply #2 of 5 posted 2 MAY 20 by Margaret Furness
I've come across a wonderful example of how names blur. Peach Melba, as a favourite of US sailors eating out at a Barcelona restaurant, became pijama (pyjamas) among the Catalan kitchen staff, and variants of the dish were for a while part of Catalan cuisine. (Wiki).
Reply #3 of 5 posted 2 MAY 20 by HubertG
Sorry, my point was not really that there was an obvious synonym but that this rose was available at a South Australian nursery rather early on. (Note to self - best not to post at 3am in bed lol).
The Aldgate nursery was also the only nursery in Australia found in old archives so far to have sold 'Albert Stopford', so, as they seemed to have imported a lot of varieties, I do wonder if any foundlings in that region might be rather rare or obscure cultivars.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 10 days ago by Margaret Furness
Have just come across this posting. Yes, we have found some rarities in the area. Eg what we think is Geschwind's Orden in the next little town, Mylor. And a nice HP, "Mylor Primary", one of the many pink-and-silvers. And the ubiquitous (in southern Australia and NZ) "Hugh Childs".
Reply #5 of 5 posted 8 days ago by HubertG
If I recall correctly, that Aldgate nursey was quite a large affair, so the chances of any foundling from Mylor having been purchased at that nursery are extremely high in my opinion. A nursery list or two from that time would be handy to narrow down the Mylor foundling possibilities.
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Initial post 11 days ago by Rebedina
I am wondering if anyone recognizes this beautiful, lightly fragranced rose grown from a cutting taken from a 1920's house in Melbourne, Australia? It has smooth pedicels, dull, narrow leaves and has few thorns.
Reply #1 of 5 posted 11 days ago by Margaret Furness
If you re-open your post you'll find it has grown an Add Photos button.
Does the plant repeat-flower? Does it set hips? Does it sucker when grown from a cutting? Is it a bush or a climber?
Reply #2 of 5 posted 11 days ago by Rebedina
Apologies for the late uploading of photos. The plant in question is a bush and does not sucker. It has round hips and does repeat flower.
Reply #3 of 5 posted 11 days ago by HubertG
For some reason it made me think of Dickson's 'Dean Hole' of 1904, but I don't know how likely it would be for that to have survived.

Rebedina, when you say a cutting taken from a 1920s house, do you have good reason to think it might be of the same era of the house? It could be something from much later.
Reply #4 of 5 posted 11 days ago by Margaret Furness
Nice photos.
Reply #5 of 5 posted 11 days ago by Rebedina
It certainly could be a much later rose, you're right.
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Initial post 2 APR by MeansvilleMom
This is my first post to this most helpful site. I purchased this rose April 7, 2021. She got off to a very slow start with tiny leaves, her few blooms were really small and she stayed overall small. I was advised by David Austin company to be sure to feed her Vigoro, Scotts Rose or Maxicrop. . Even though all my other roses thrived on my feeding regimen, including my beloved D.A. Tottering-by-Gently, I have faithfully been feeding with Vigoro since then. She gets full sun all day, and I keep up with our rain amounts in order to supplement watering in between. This spring, she has come out gangbusters with foliage, and it finally is normal size this year. She has some buds, which look to be normal size. However, this year I noticed some discoloration in some of her leaves. I took a pic and researched and it appears to be Rose Mosaic virus, which would probably explain her slow start and diminutive leaves/blooms? I reported to D.A. and they have already shipped a replacement! Wow! So, my question is, since she is looking healthy right now and the virus, from what I understand, is not contagious to my other roses, should I leave her? Or go ahead and dig her up? I am very sad to do it, since I have been nursing her all this time and looking forward to seeing how this plethora of buds open up here shortly.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 12 days ago by Margaret Furness
I'm told that viruses can spread between roots of nearby roses.
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Initial post 17 AUG by aymo
Hello! Can someone pls help me identify this rose?
We've had this rose for several years, my late father had planted the original one so it's very special to me. It wasn't growing a lot in size, i suspected because it was under the shade of a big tree. So few winters back, i moved it to a sunnier location, but unfortunately it did not survive :(
- It has a very strong musky smell
- It blooms one strong bloom in May and then much weaker ones later (i suspected because of the shade but maybe not)
- It survives snowy winters
Your help is greatly appreciated!
Reply #1 of 9 posted 17 AUG by Margaret Furness
Is the colour right for Friesia?
Reply #2 of 9 posted 17 AUG by aymo
Thank you so much! Friesia seems to be the closest i have ever seen to it :)
The color seems to be a bit softer/darker on the yellow side in our rose - and is it for sure a Floribunda from our photo?
any other potential guesses?
Super thanks!!
Reply #3 of 9 posted 31 MAR by aymo
Any other guesses? could it be 'Buff Beauty' ?
Reply #4 of 9 posted 31 MAR by Lee H.
Photos can be misleading, but compared to my BB, the yellow looks a little too saturated. Also, BB definitely likes to climb, even under a tree. Mine is cohabitating well in the branches of a small dogwood
Reply #5 of 9 posted 1 APR by Patricia Routley
Golden Jubilee (hybrid tea, pre 2014) is my guess, but I really don't know if this Australian rose ever got to Germany.
An actual planting year, rather than "several years ago" might help you eliminate some contenders.
Reply #6 of 9 posted 1 APR by aymo
Thank you, it was planted i would say more than 20 years ago! not sure it's golden jubilee as it doesn't have those pink hews on the sides of the petals.
Reply #7 of 9 posted 1 APR by aymo
thank you! i believe there's two 'versions' of Buff Beauty - the Climber and the Shrub.
Reply #8 of 9 posted 1 APR by Lee H.
Is there? I don’t see it listed.
Reply #9 of 9 posted 1 APR by Patricia Routley
There is only the one - Buff Beauty (Hybrid Musk, Bentall, 1939)
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