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Wendy C
most recent 7 OCT SHOW ALL
Initial post 6 DEC 05 by John Moody
I am planning my crosses for my hybridizing activities and am surprised to see no first generation descendants listed. Has anyone tried using it unsuccessfully as either a pollen or seed parent? As nice of a rose as this is it would be nice to pass along its' good qualities to offspring if at all possible.
Reply #1 of 3 posted 11 DEC 05 by Wendy C
That Secret is over 10 years old with no descendants would lead me to believe it is sterile. It is fairly common for Hybrid specimens to be sterile. If you have it in your hybridizing plans, by all means give it a go as both seed and pollen parent..perhaps you'll have sucess.

Good Luck
Reply #2 of 3 posted 7 OCT by Silvermoss
It is listed as a parent of Pope John Paul II rose
Reply #3 of 3 posted 7 OCT by jedmar
Not only.
most recent 18 JUN SHOW ALL
Initial post 4 SEP 06 by portlandtemple


We have a beautiful Rose Garden. We are looking for rose plants "COLOGNE".

We used to buy it from Edmunds Roses, Wilsonville, Oregon. Now they are not in business now.

We have 600+ roses in our lot in this Non-profit organization.

Can anyone suggest where we can get rose plants COLOGNE, Sheer Bliss, Home and Family.

Is it possible to a get list  of Nurseries in Oregon who sells above rose plansts.

Thank you for your reply in advance.

Thanks, Venky.  Pls call me if you have any questions #@ 503-629-9457



Reply #1 of 6 posted 5 SEP 06 by Jim Delahanty


CLR2006 lists both Cologne and Sheer Bliss as available at  Roses N.W. in Tualitin OR:

503.692.30666.  (no internet site listed).


 Home & Family is lsited at Regan Nursery ( but they are not now shipping; a few other nurseries were listed but not in the PNW>



Reply #4 of 6 posted 14 SEP 06 by portlandtemple

Thank you for your input. I apprecaite your help.

Now only I was able to read the replies.

Thanks, Venky.


Reply #5 of 6 posted 18 JUN by 1
Roses N.W. hasn't really existed for 20 years. There is still a home there with tons of roses, as it is easily visible from the highway, but there is no business there.
Reply #2 of 6 posted 5 SEP 06 by Wendy C

Someone has picked up the ball and a new catalog for Edmund's Roses is in the works according to the website. You could also check with Rogue Valley Roses, an own root nursery in Oregon.


Reply #3 of 6 posted 6 SEP 06 by HMF Admin
You might also check the "Buy From" tab for this rose.  We list 3 different suppliers.  If you find they no longer carry it please let us know so we can update our site.
Reply #6 of 6 posted 18 JUN by 1
If you are still around, contact Portland Rose Society and ask them. A member may have cuttings of it.
most recent 4 MAY SHOW ALL
Initial post 17 MAY 06 by Dove Cochrane

My Just Joey has one cane with 4 blooms,  like a floribunda.  Is that common for JJ?  Would someting like that be considered a sport?

I have a photo if anyone would like to see what I'm talking about.


Reply #1 of 10 posted 19 MAY 06 by HMF Admin
Dove, please do include a photo.
Reply #2 of 10 posted 19 MAY 06 by Dove Cochrane
This is the pnly cane of the bush with 4 blooms
Reply #9 of 10 posted 4 MAY by 1
That's not 'Just Joey'. I can tell by the foliage alone. JJ has somewhat undulated, feathery, and lightly-pointed foliage.

That may be 'Sunset Celebration' with some off-coloring.
Reply #3 of 10 posted 20 MAY 06 by HMF Admin
Any guesses out there ?
Reply #4 of 10 posted 20 MAY 06 by Wendy C

That photo doesn't look like any Just Joey I've ever seen. Has this bush always looked like this?

The bloom shape and color isn't like JJ. Is it possible this is a mislabled rose?

Reply #5 of 10 posted 20 MAY 06 by Kim Rupert
Hi, Dove. I know the "definition" of a Hybrid Tea is generally accepted as one bloom per stem, but roses are such a mixed bag of traits. It is VERY common for HTs to bloom in small to large clusters, just as it is for floribundas to provide one flower to the stem. Cluster flowering is pretty common in the several species represented in modern roses. Your cluster of blooms on Just Joey is well within the norm for not only that rose, but just about any other Hybrid Tea you could find for sale. It wouldn't be considered a sport unless the flowers were materially different from the others the plant usually produces, such as fewer or greater number of petals, different color, stripes, mottling, etc.; the growth noticably different as in elongated canes as in the case of a climber, or much more dwarf resembling a mini mutation, etc.; or something like a very fragrant rose regularly producing a scentless one, or vice versa. When the characteristic is one which is common within the range of traits possible, it's not a mutation, just an expression of what the thing CAN do. You may have never seen Just Joey do what it's doing for you at the moment, but it's a common thing to find on it, and most other Hybrid Teas.  
Reply #6 of 10 posted 20 MAY 06 by Dove Cochrane

Hi Kim,

I have seen my Floribundas produce a single flower and have read that Grandifloras may or may not produce multiple blooms, but wasn't aware that was the case with Hybrid Teas.  I can always count on you for informative and educational responses.

"...just an expression of what the thing CAN do"

So in a nut shell Just Joey is showing off... cool.


Reply #7 of 10 posted 21 MAY 06 by Dove Cochrane

Hi Wendy,

More than likely it's my photographic abilities (or lack thereof) that didn't capture the bloom in all it's Just Joey glory. I was trying to get a good view of the multiple stems.


Reply #8 of 10 posted 22 MAY 06 by Cheryl

Hi Dove,

I'd be very surprised if this is 'Just Joey'. I'm with Wendy here. The buds are not right. The blooms are not right. The foliage is not right. The growth pattern is not right. The colour is not right.  I've taken hundreds of shots of 'Just Joey' and have many bushes of it. I think that it will turn out to be something else. I have never seen multiple flowers on any stems. The stems on 'Just Joey' would be too weak to carry numbers of such large blooms.

Cheryl Moore

most recent 12 MAY 21 SHOW ALL
Initial post 20 JUN 07 by Unregistered Guest
what is the life span or a rose bush? in general..
Reply #1 of 4 posted 20 JUN 07 by Unregistered Guest
Hi Andrew. I am not sure what the average lifespan of a rose is, I think it depends on the class of rose. According to Guinness Book of Records, the world's oldest rose is in Tombstone AZ. It is a Lady Banksiae which is 122 years old and 8600 sq feet. I personally have a Rosa Wichuraiana which is over 30 years. Jody
Reply #2 of 4 posted 23 JUN 07 by Wendy C
My father-in-law has a Peace and Mr. Lincoln which are nearly fifty years old. Given good growing conditions, and nothing terrible befalling them (severe cold, disease, etc) I think 10-20 years is not uncommon. I've got a couple which are 13 years old and going strong, and they've been moved all over creation as I've moved three times.
Reply #4 of 4 posted 12 MAY 21 by amc439
hey thanks for your comment
Reply #3 of 4 posted 23 JUN 07 by Cass
I've documented a rose that is about 100 years old, planted in the garden of a family home that remains in the same family. The plant is enormous, at least 15 feet wide and 12 feet tall, the variety we call 'Le Vésuve.'
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