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Initial post 29 SEP 11 by Jay-Jay
On the website of Kordes the following (translated) info:

Züchter: W. Kordes' Söhne 2007
Öfterblühende Sorte
Farbe: zart rosa
Wuchsform: aufrecht buschig wachsend
Höhe: ca. 80 cm, Breite: ca. 50 cm
Die Angaben für Höhe und Breite können je nach Standort oder Region etwas variieren. Die Breite kann gleichzeitig als Pflanzabstand übernommen werden.
Bemerkung: Die Duftpreise, die diese Sorte in verschiedenen internationalen Rosenwettbewerben erhalten hat , sprechen eine deutliche Sprache: Ihre großen, gefüllten Blüten duften intensiv nach Zitrus-Früchten. Dabei verzweigt sich die Pflanze außergewöhnlich gut und ihr Laub ist sehr widerstandsfähig gegenüber Sternrußtau.
Blütenfüllung: stark gefüllt
Blütendurchmesser: 10 cm
Blattgesundheit: Sternrußtau: leichte Anfälligkeit, Regeneration aus eigener Kraft , Mehltau: höhere Anfälligkeit, Pflanzenstärkungsmittel erforderlich

Repeat flowering
Colour: soft pink
Habit: Upright shrubby form.
Height ± 80 cm, Width ± 50 cm.
Height and width vary by location or region. Width =planting distance
The plant forms a lot of branches, leaves have a very good resistance towards Blackspot
Very double flowerform
Flower Ø 10 cm
A little susceptible for Blackspot, selfregeneration of it.
High susceptability for Mildew. Needs health improving substances. (like leaf fertilizers as seaweadextract or algae-extract*)
* note by Jay-Jay.

They also wrote:
Diese intensiv duftende Rose gehört zu der Auswahl des Kordes-Duftgarten, alles Sorten, an deren himmlischen Aromen Sie sich den ganzen Sommer lang erfreuen können. Füllen Sie Ihren Duftgarten mit einer Vielfalt von Rosen für die Sinne.

Duftpreis und Publikumspreis Nantes 2010, Duftpreis Baden-Baden 08, Duftpreis Belfast 09, Goldmedaille La Tacita 2010, Silbermedaille 08 Baden-Baden, Silbermedaille 09 Echigo
Rosen-Kollektion: Diese Sorte ist Teil der brandneuen Eleganza-Kollektion, ein Sortiment junger, blattgesunder Edelrosen-Züchtungen, die mit ihrer anmutigen Schönheit jeden Garten veredeln. Lassen Sie sich von der Eleganz dieser Neuzüchtungen verzaubern.
Hinweis: Der begehrte Sonderpreis für die am stärksten duftende Rose ging 2008 an die Kordes-Züchtung ‘Beverly®’. Den intensiven Duft der Kordes-Rose analysierte der bekannte Parfumeur und Rosenkenner Phillipe Sauvegrain folgendermaßen: „Ein blumiger Duft wie aus Tausend und einer Nacht untermalt von einem Hauch Litschi und einer süßen Fußnote, die an reife Pflaumen und Mirabellen erinnert“.

(etwas für Jedmar to translate)
Reply #1 of 13 posted 29 SEP 11 by jedmar
I am afraid we do not have the detail to express properly:
"A floral fragrance as if from Thousand and One Nights, accompanied by a hint (the german "breath" is more poetic here) of lychee and a sweet basal note which is reminiscent of plums and mirabelles"
Reply #2 of 13 posted 29 SEP 11 by Jay-Jay
Die Duftbeschreibung stimmt aber wirklich! So riecht diese rose!
Aber tausend und eine Nacht habe ich noch nicht/nie gerochen, aber es gibt einen Eindruck!

The description of ths roses' fragrance I think is correct! The rose smells like this.
1001 night I've never smelled, but it gives a clue/hunch about how it is!
Reply #3 of 13 posted 7 NOV 14 by Kit

A floral scent out of 1001 Nights, punctuated by a breath of lychee and a sweet undertone which evokes plums and mirabelles.

The real problem here is that the expression 'mirabelle'*, as well as the fruit itself, are virtual unknowns in the Anglosphere. The breath idiom can be translated literally with no loss of poetry or sense.

(Not that I actually get poetry from the German, to me it sounds like illiterate Yiddish spoken by a syntactically confused person. Makes Dutch(bad enough) seem quite sensible by contrast. The daytsh tell me that Yiddish sounds even worse to them!)

*BTW: It's a sort of yellow plum.
Reply #4 of 13 posted 7 NOV 14 by Margaret Furness
There are, of course, people who don't find English euphonious.
Reply #5 of 13 posted 7 NOV 14 by Jay-Jay
Laat de Nederlanders het maar niet horen!
Reply #6 of 13 posted 7 NOV 14 by Jay-Jay
Reply #7 of 13 posted 7 NOV 14 by Patricia Routley
Oh yum! Looks very similar to our sweet-as-honey Greengage plums - Prunus domestica Italica. The dictionary tells me the Greengage was named after Sir W. Gage (1777-1884 , English botanist, who brought it from France. (Nothing at all to do with the 1999 rose but it makes the morning coffee time here interesting.)
Reply #8 of 13 posted 8 NOV 14 by Margaret Furness
Lovely photo Jay-Jay!
Reply #9 of 13 posted 8 NOV 14 by Jay-Jay
The Green Gage plum is a very old variety and called in Europe: "Reine Claude Verte".
They are bigger and when ripe much sweeter (like sugar or honey) than Mirabelles.
For the interested people:
It will normally take many years for that plum-tree to become fertile, and even then it will carry just a little amount of fruit.
The trick is, to plant the young tree a little deeper than in the nursery and little by little put compost enriched garden-soil on top of the roots, so the graft will root by itself and the rootstock dies. Than the Reine Claude Verte/Greengage tree will reward You in good years with loads of delicious plums!
Reply #10 of 13 posted 8 NOV 14 by Margaret Furness
Interesting suggestion. The usual cross-pollinator for it here is Coe's Golden Drop, also known as eggplum, which is nothing special, so I'm trying Prune d'Agen instead. The greengage has an added advantage in my area, in that birds don't attack it as much as other plums. I think it likes our climate better than yours, as it can be quite prolific.
Reply #12 of 13 posted 23 JUN 23 by ms_margaret
I think "hint of lychee" is being modest. This rose will knock you out with lychee scent.
Reply #13 of 13 posted 23 JUN 23 by Jay-Jay
Maybe an idea to make sherbet-ice with it? With Lychees, one can.
Reply #11 of 13 posted 13 JUN 15 by boopie
This rose bush is so beautiful. It has long stems for cutting, but I hesitate to do it because it is so beautiful in bloom that it makes a spectacular landscape bush. My neighborhood is full of dog walkers. Most of them walk their dogs several times a day, and everyone stops to comment on how beautiful this bush is. I rarely cut these flowers out of consideration for my neighbors, they enjoy this bush so much. This is a wonderful bush, and in my climate (southern California, dry and arid) I have not have had to spray for any disease. I love how this bush performs in the garden, it should be considered as a landscape rose as well as it's other attributes. It should be well watered and fertilized for best results.
most recent 8 JUL 22 SHOW ALL
Initial post 23 OCT 14 by Kit
Mine has gotten to about 3.5m high & 8m wide, after 3 summers in USDA zone 10, Sunset zone 20.
Reply #1 of 7 posted 5 JUL 22 by SmallSunnyGarden
This is a very late addition to your comment, but I was wondering whether Clytemnestra repeats well in Z10? I see references to some of the hybrid musks being effectively once-blooming in hot summer/low winter chill climates. I'm looking for a small, well-scented climber that can take a little shade in z9a, Sunset z12.
Reply #2 of 7 posted 5 JUL 22 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
You might try Renae.
Reply #3 of 7 posted 5 JUL 22 by SmallSunnyGarden
I'll look into it--thanks! :)
Reply #4 of 7 posted 5 JUL 22 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
You're welcome.

I grew it quite successfully here in 9b for years... smooth, makes it a joy to train and easy to use in close spaces.

Burlington offers it.
Reply #5 of 7 posted 8 JUL 22 by SmallSunnyGarden
Thanks again so much. I've decided the space is small enough to be safer with a miniature climber (I don't want to overwhelm nearby plants). But Renae is definitely going on my wish list as I have plenty of other spots for full-size climbers here. Thanks for bringing her to my attention as I was completely unfamiliar with her!
Reply #6 of 7 posted 8 JUL 22 by Lee H.
Be careful. Miniature flowers don’t necessarily mean miniature plant size. Ask me how I know ;-)
I grow Renae as well, and I would consider it one of my more restrained climbers.
Reply #7 of 7 posted 8 JUL 22 by Robert Neil Rippetoe
'Annie Laurie McDowell' is a more restrained option.

She's very beautiful but flowers so heavily she may take a while to become established. She's well worth the effort.
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Initial post 12 APR 15 by Kit
RIP - shovel pruned due to irremediable rusting. Uniquely though often funkily colored, it wasn't worth the space or trouble as a landscape plant. Final pix are posted.
Reply #1 of 1 posted 27 APR 21 by Michael Garhart
Its quadruple linebred from Fashion, which has been an epicenter for passing on rust in roses from 1960 to 2000.
most recent 24 JUL 17 SHOW ALL
Initial post 6 NOV 14 by Kit
I'm posting a picture of this thing's habit in my So Cal garden. I planted it four years back, and everytime I think it's found its height it grows another level - here it is, having effortlessly reached 3m/10' of altitude. In my garden, the color is a little deeper than 'Sweetness,' which here is more reliably perfumed. My two year old 'Sweetness' is also bigger, both wider and taller (4m/12'6"h x 5m/16'w)
Reply #1 of 3 posted 9 JUN 17 by mamabotanica
Hows the rose since you posted? I am looking for a soft purple highly fragrant long vase life rose but it seems in my one 10b (Pasadena CA) garden this is not it! Hoping Barbra Streisand will fit the bill.
Reply #2 of 3 posted 12 JUL 17 by GardenGlimpses
I grow both Melody Parfumee and Barbara Striesand...Babs is by far the more free blooming bush for me so far, it is one of my most productive varieties across all colors. But I like the colors of Melody much more, it starts out more purple than Babs and ends up more lavender, Babs is too pink all the time. Both are very fragrant.
Reply #3 of 3 posted 24 JUL 17 by mamabotanica
thanks for the tip!
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