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"Nouveau Monde - in commerce as" rose Reviews & Comments
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I realize that this is not the original 'Nouveau Monde' based on old descriptions, but whatever name it once had, I love it. Growth is vigorous, and mine is trained against a raised deck railing -- see my pic of it one year after coming as a band, though it's about twice that size now. The one bloom period is rather long, the fragrance of the flowers is strong, and even the stems and foliage have scent -- resinous, smelling like Moss roses when rubbed. It's mostly untroubled by blackspot or mildew here in New Jersey (I don't use fungicides). I let it grow rather wild since that pic from 2014, training new growth along the railing and removing very little. After it blooms, I'll thin it out a bit, but it will likely fill-in again quickly.
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~Christopher
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I am not sure that I agree with loading photos of what you know to be an incorrect rose on to a file.
I also cannot understand Gregg and Phillip calling this pink rose 'Nouveau Monde' in their catalogue, when they possibly knew the original was purple. They were usually pretty good with those double quoted "study names". Possibly your photos are useful in that they are showing what was sold recently as 'Nouveau Monde'. Before your photos are marked as "photo error", have you considered whether your rose could be 'Boccella'?
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#2 of 6 posted
22 MAR 15 by
 AquaEyes
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If you mean 'Marchesa Boccella' aka 'Marquise Boccella', this is definitely not that rose. I think Vintage Gardens got theirs from l'Hay. Whatever it is, I think it makes a worthy once-blooming fragrant climber. I'll have a look through other Hybrid Chinas to see if anything else in this database could be its true identity. But a few gardens here list it among their inventories, so it's out there. Is there a way to have another file with the name in double-quotes to denote the rose currently going under this name?
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~Christopher
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I did mean 'Marquise Boccella', AquaEyes. Thank you for your intuition.
Vintage got theirs (see 2006 ref) from Barbara Worl, who got hers from Roseraie du Val-de-Marne à l'Haÿ-les-roses. So the answer to this rose is in the l'Hay-les-Roses listing of roses - which is verrry looooonnng.
Yes - it is preferable to have a separate file and yes, we can do it. But what to call this rose while we're looking for its correct name? I wonder what Barbara Worl called it, or Phillip and Gregg, when they were thinking it might not be 'Nouveau Monde' (if they did). Ideally the first "study name" should be the one it becomes known by. My little French dictionary tells me that 'Nouveau Monde' basically means - new world.
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#4 of 6 posted
22 MAR 15 by
AquaEyes
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Yes, when I got home (my previous reply was via my cell), I looked it up in the Vintage Gardens catalog and saw its original provenance (I had originally thought Sangerhausen, then edited my comment to say l'Hay). I guess my point in adding information is that I took a gamble on a rose which was basically unknown, and am very happy with it. It performs well for the function I chose for it, and I look forward to its flush this year.
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~Christopher
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#5 of 6 posted
21 MAY 15 by
AquaEyes
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As my "Nouveau Monde" is just beginning to bloom this year, I'm noticing something interesting -- the unopened buds are much darker, like a purplish-pink. And the first opened blooms are also darker -- a medium mauve-pink which isn't exactly captured accurately by my iPhone camera among the pics I'm uploading today. The blooms are still not the dark purple described in old references, but it's certainly darker than previously. And I realize that this isn't the same rose as the original, but there are many roses on HelpMeFind with that caveat on their pages. Whatever it is, it works wonderfully where I have it -- eating the railing of a raised deck, with a clematis growing within it.
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~Christopher
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We have separated these two files. there is now:
'Nouveau Monde' (Gallica, Descemet, 1811)
"Nouveau Monde - In Commerce As".
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Mine is also from Vintage Gardens. The blossoms never approach purple. They are a pale pink much lighter than those of Desiree Parmentier and somewhat darker than those of Felicity Parmentier - very close in color to those of Ispahan. They are neatly formed, always with a neat button eye. The foliage is definitely not "dark" green. It is bright green like the new growth on Madame Alfred Carriere, but with much more texture. The habit is broad and open with lots of long, (nearly) unbranched canes. It is clearly distinct from Isfahan in that the flowers of this rose appear at intervals over the length of the cane. Leaflets, too.
I purchased more roses from Vintage Gardens than I care to admit - considering how few survive in my garden. This is one of those few. While I have some reservations about Ispahan because its 8 to 10 ft long unbranched canes seem both a little ungainly and a little too sparse with leaves, I have none about this rose. It is among the more graceful of the long-caned roses in my garden.
It's too bad we do not know the original identity of this rose, and that with the demise of VG it is probably out of distribution for some years: it is certainly a worthy addition to a moderately sized rose garden.
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I ordered this as a band from Vintage Gardens this year. It came with a couple of blooms, and a couple more followed (I'll upload more and better pics next year). The scent reminded me of 'Felicite Parmentier' the Alba -- powdery sweet. I wonder about the description line mentioning "purple" as there was not even the slightest suggestion of that. Sorry this is all I've got for now, but I couldn't just leave this page empty of pics.
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~Christopher
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