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Margaret Furness 
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Does anyone, eg in New Zealand, have a hip photo of this rose? I'd like one for a booklet on Mystery Teas in Aus. Thanks,
Margaret
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#1 of 9 posted
13 OCT by
HubertG
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A bit too late I'm afraid, but I notice a hip peeking out from behind the bloom in the photo here (id340253, 15 Feb 20).
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Thank you, yes, that's the photo I ended up using. A couple of the Tea ladies keep an eye on the plant at Araluen, and it hasn't cooperated. "Stiff Lady Roberts" must set very few hips, and if the one in the photo is representative, they're much smaller than the big lobulated ones produced fairly often by Anna Olivier/Lady Roberts. The Tea ladies say its growth pattern is different, too.
Overall SLR is unlikely to be a sport of Anna Olivier, and may well be Souvenir of Stella Gray, as you suggested.
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#3 of 9 posted
14 OCT by
HubertG
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Margaret, this winter I ordered a plant of 'Lady Roberts' from Ross' actually hoping it would really be "Stiff Lady Roberts" as I had read that's what someone else had received from them. It's too early to tell yet for sure, but it's looking encouraging as the plant was quite small and twiggy, and the new growth has been quite reddish, and the leaf shape more like "Stiff Lady Roberts" than 'Lady Roberts'.
If it does become apparent that I've received "Stiff Lady Roberts" I'll keep an eye on hip development for you.
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My "Stiff Lady Robert" came from them. I did give them the "Nannup Bridge Lady Roberts" (Anna Olivier) a few years ago but they're not keen on changing labels.
I'll be interested to know how your plant goes. If it sets a hip, would you please post me (and post) a photo of hip and seeds when it's ripe, and try planting the seeds.
Souv. of Stella Gray has no descendants recorded on hmf.
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#5 of 9 posted
14 OCT by
HubertG
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I'll update on my plant and watch out for hips, in fact I'll probably actively pollinate it, and I'll happily post anything that it produces. I also suspect the plant labelled 'Lady Roberts' that I saw at Parramatta Park years ago was probably "Stiff Lady Roberts" and as I intend to return soon to photograph the Gallicas there, I'll check for hips on their 'Lady Roberts' too.
I suspect 'Souvenir of Stella Gray' might not have been very fertile if it was a Tea-Hybrid Tea mix, or if it did readily produce hips it might not have been used in anyone's breeding programme in that period when Teas were going out of style.
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#6 of 9 posted
24 OCT by
HubertG
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Margaret, I recently checked out the bush labelled as 'Lady Roberts' in the Rumsey Rose Garden in Parramatta Park. I remembered it years ago as being low growing, bushy and somewhat sprawling but instead of getting bigger it seems to have gone backwards in growth. It appears to have been cut back hard at some point and there wasn't a lot of new growth. No flowers or hips present. I couldn't tell by the foliage which Lady Roberts it was but I suspect it's "Stiff Lady Roberts".
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#7 of 9 posted
8 NOV by
HubertG
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It's still too early to tell with certainty what exactly I have but the second bud on my plant is distinctly rich yellow splashed and veined with pinky crimson. I'm leaning towards it being "Stiff Lady Roberts".
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#8 of 9 posted
18 NOV by
HubertG
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One thing I've noticed about the few flowers so far on my plant is that the buds have distinctive red sepal tips (see my recent photo). I'm not sure if this is seasonal or cultural or a characteristic of the plant but I can see it on other photos here too. It would be interesting to know if anyone who grows the real 'Lady Roberts' or 'Anna Olivier' also observes this characteristic. If not, it could be something diagnostic for "Stiff Lady Roberts".
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Today (late autumn in severe drought) Anna Olivier's sepal tips are very narrow but red. I'll post a photo later.
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Updated information:
Bonzer ripper, mate.
One of the few unmitigated success stories so far.
Cheerful, healthy, vigorous, well-covered in leaves.
Would definitely get another, or two or three.
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It also grows very well and healthily in climates that are cool and wet in summer, but only grows about 1 metre high. As good as any modern rose
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But it can ball, which is surprising (to me) for a little flower. I don't recall Narrow Water doing that, and would therefore consider it the better option.
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#3 of 3 posted
11 days ago by
Gdisaz10
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The problem with this rose is that with so much rain the flowers all turn brown and unfortunately in my area May is the month of rain. It becomes a large rose.
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Lovely bloom.
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Not the best thing to support to get a fertilizer,
[Ed - As noted, political discourse is not welcome on HelpMeFind. Please refrain from any further non-gardening related posts.]
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It has already been pointed out to you that hmf is about roses/peonies, not politics.
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The current owners tell me their family have grown it since 1942. The flowers are 3-5cm in diameter. They don't think it's scented, which argues against Lady Gay as an ID.
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Some people can smell roses. Others (like me) can’t.
There are two ‘Lady Gay’ roses listed in HelpMeFind.
Lady Gay (hybrid wichurana, Walsh, 1903) (Rosa wichuraiana Crép. synonym × Bardou Job)
Lady Gay (hybrid multiflora, Geschwind, 1905) (seedling of Crimson Rambler × Unknown)
Walsh’s rose is likely to be fragrant, because ‘Bardou Job’ was fragrant.
Geschwind’s rose is likely to not be fragrant, because Turner’s ‘Crimson Rambler’ wasn’t.
Despite Geschwind’s rose being classified as multiflora, (as is ‘Turner’s ‘Crimson Rambler’)
if the pollen parent of Geschwind’s rose was R. wichurana, the resulting offspring might look a wich as does
‘Evangeline’ and ‘Excelsa’. I wish we knew more about Geschwind’s ‘Lady Gay’.
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Yes, it is true: we do not all detect fragrance in the same way. I can't detect China rose scent, but can detect the scent of most OGRs with a "damask" scent. I don't remember scent on 'Lady Gay', but it won't flower for another four months for me so can't check. I lost my own LG but know a big hedge of it an hour away. The Walsh roses that have scent that carries in the air are 'Evangeline' and 'Nokomis'.
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Margaret, I feel sure you have said somewhere (?private email) that “Loveday” is prickly.
Johno has sent me a 1969 Sedunarys Upper Murray Nursery catalogue. This nursery was at Loveday S.A. They listed ‘Pinkie Climbing’ which apparently is thornless.
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Yes wich-prickly: and once-flowering, so it's not Cl Pinkie.
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Palustris, would you please check whether Lady Gay is scented, if you can visit the hedge next month.
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It will be about six weeks before Lady Gay flowers here. I'm looking forward to the ramblers blooming.
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