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Initial post yesterday by odinthor
The breeder is James Comley, as with 'Oakmont': “Further on to the right could be seen an excellent display of cut roses from James Comely [sic; should be "Comley"] of Lexington (gardener to Francis B. Hayes), and among them a large number of the new rose, ‘Oakmont’, and ‘Francis B. Hayes’, of which he is the originator, and the stock of which he recently sold to Mr. John N. May.” [Florists’ Exchange, vol. 3, 1890, p. 213] It appears from here and elsewhere that the spelling is "Francis" not "Frances."
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Reply #1 of 1 posted yesterday by jedmar
Reference added and breeder modified, thank you!
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Initial post 3 days ago by odinthor
Isn't it more likely that the honoree is Charles-Louis Napoléon Bonaparte, later known as Napoléon III?
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Reply #1 of 4 posted 3 days ago by jedmar
Charles Louis Napoléon was in exile until 1848. His attempt at an insurrection failed in 1840. I doubt that Foulard/Verdier would name the rose after an enemy of the government.
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Reply #2 of 4 posted 3 days ago by odinthor
Leaving off the last name preserves deniability while waiting for political fortunes to change.
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Reply #3 of 4 posted 3 days ago by jedmar
Possible, but then why dedicate roses to the generals Cavaignac and Changarnier both of which were in opposition to Louis Napoléon?
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Reply #4 of 4 posted 2 days ago by odinthor
Covering all bets!
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Initial post 4 days ago by odinthor
The quote from Rivers in 1846--the one with the leaves which are nine inches long--the isolated quote here leaves the impression that the rose being described in the quote is 'Céline'; but on reading the whole passage in Rivers, it's clear that the only thing referring to 'Céline' is that those who know 'Céline' will have an idea of the habit of 'Great Western', which latter is the rose with the nine-inch leaves, etc. etc. etc.
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Reply #1 of 1 posted 3 days ago by jedmar
Yes, this quote is misplaced. Thank you for the heads up!
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Initial post 4 days ago by odinthor
I note that the 1840s Camellia ‘Emiliana Alba’ (which Verschaffelt received from America in 1847) has the same white with some violet-pink as noted for the rose. I wonder if someone’s jotting at some point that the rose resembled Camellia ‘Emiliana’ was misconstrued as a statement of attribution or synonymy for the rose.
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